Template:Did you know nominations/Windy Zhan

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by reviewer, closed by Launchballer talk 10:35, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

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• ... that Windy Zhan (pictured) is a member of the Hong Kong Cantopop girl group After Class who has been learning and practising vocal music since the age of five?

• Reviewed:

Will629 (talk) 19:13, 26 June 2024 (UTC).

• Hello, Will629. The nomination is timely and the article is long enough with no copyvios detected. Several entries in the Discography table, as well as the Awards and nominations table, appear unsourced, though. These would require references. I think it can use some tweaking for catchiness; how about this?--NØ 19:35, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
  • ALT1: ... that Windy Zhan (pictured) of the Hong Kong girl group After Class has been learning and practising vocal music since the age of five?
    • MaranoFan, thank you very much for your prompt review. I have corrected the issues and your question suggestion is very good, thank you! May I ask what do I need to do for using your ALT1 suggestion, as I am new for DYK in English Wikipedia. Thank you!--Will629 (talk) 19:52, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
      • I have struck the first hook so ALT1 will be considered by the promotor, no further action required. Thank you for correcting the issues so quickly. Foreign-language reference accepted in good faith, this is good to go. Welcome to the English Wikipedia and best of luck here!--NØ 20:02, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
        • Thank you very much again!--Will629 (talk) 20:59, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
          • @Will629 and MaranoFan: is this unusual or interesting enough? Out of interest, I just looked at a number of other famous singers—all had started before the age of seven. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 21:35, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
            • +1 from me, I'd say. We get a lot of these types of hooks, ironically enough, and they usually don't perform too well. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 22:16, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
              • @Will629: A new hook is needed. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 18:12, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
                • ALT2: ... that Windy Zhan (pictured) of the Hong Kong girl group After Class was highly praised by Taiwanese netizens for her performance in singing the Queen of the Night aria in June 2023?
                • @AirshipJungleman29: Is that okay?--Will629 (talk) 19:04, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
                  • The website it is sourced to looks extremely tabloidy. See WP:NOTGOSSIP. The hook needs to be cited to a reliable source, and orientalsunday.hk doesn't look like one. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 19:11, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
                    • @AirshipJungleman29: I have added few more sources, is that okay?--Will629 (talk) 19:23, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
                      • And the corresponding lines are (although in Chinese):
• "詹天文成功考入美國伯克利音樂學院 繼姚焯菲後到海外升學". am730 (in Chinese (Hong Kong)). 4 April 2024. Retrieved 24 July 2024.: "去年，她在學校舉辦的社際音樂比賽演唱了一段莫札特《魔笛》中「夜后」其中一段，影片在台灣hit爆，更被形容為「聲樂界的明日之星」"

• "與顧嘉煇王力宏做校友 詹天文獲伯克利音樂學院取錄". Mingpao Weekly (in Chinese (Hong Kong)). 5 April 2024. Archived from the original on 21 April 2024. Retrieved 24 July 2024.: "去年參加學校舉辦的音樂比賽，演唱了莫札特《魔笛》中「夜后」其中一段，片段在台灣爆紅，被譽為「聲樂界的明日之星」。"

• "聲夢小花｜詹天文獲伯克利音樂學院取錄　Windy音樂造詣高5歲學聲樂【多圖】". Hong Kong Economic Times (in Chinese (Hong Kong)). 5 April 2024. Archived from the original on 18 April 2024. Retrieved 24 July 2024.: "就讀國際基督教優質音樂中學的Windy，她在學校社際音樂比賽中演唱莫札特《魔笛》中的「夜后」，盡展實力，影片更在台灣爆紅"--Will629 (talk) 19:55, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

• @AirshipJungleman29: Have your concerns been addressed? If not what else needs to be done? Z1720 (talk) 20:00, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
  • No, not really; the above churnalism all saying variations of "random people liked the performance on Twitter" aren't a good source to build a hook off. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 23:11, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
    • ALT: ... that Windy Zhan (pictured) of the Hong Kong girl group After Class was enrolled in the Xinghai Conservatory of Music in Guangzhou, China in 2024?
      • @AirshipJungleman29: For your last comment, I don't think they are churnalism as they do report the news, and it is not Twitter but Facebook. But anyway, I hope this new hook is okay and again, these are the local news sources that I could find. Actually they already constitute most of the mainstream news sources that are referring to the news itself. If it still doesn't meet the requirements, I would really like to hear your suggestions. Thank you.--Will629 (talk) 22:55, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
        • Personally I don't think the new hook meets WP:DYKINT as the significance of being enrolled in that particular conservatory isn't clear to the average reader. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:23, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
          • What about this? The sources are throughout and this is so far the best I can do.
            • ALT:... that Windy Zhan (pictured) of the Hong Kong girl group After Class is known for her high-pitched vocals and operatic singing skills? --Will629 (talk) 00:07, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

@AirshipJungleman29: Do the above ALTs satisfy your concerns? @MaranoFan: As the original reviewer, can you confirm if these are approved? Z1720 (talk) 19:51, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

• ALT5: ... that After Class member Windy Zhan won several awards at the Hong Kong Schools Music Festival during her childhood?

This looks to me like the best that can be done based on the current version of the article. Unfortunately, its DYK potential seems to be limited, but I believe we've run way worse. All the hooks are okay to me, although not the best.--NØ 20:02, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

@MaranoFan:Thank you. I understand that too and I could just hope for the best now. Thank you again.--Will629 (talk) 20:41, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

• This is now the oldest unapproved nomination: two months have passed since the nomination date, yet the issues remain unaddressed. As such, this is now marked for closure per WP:DYKTIMEOUT. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:12, 26 August 2024 (UTC)