Original - A 4mm Macroxiphus sp.katydid nymph mimics an ant to ward off predators. Pictured in Dar es Salaam. Tanzania
Reason
Looks like an ant? Look again. A 4mm katydid mimicking an ant, because ants are of the most feared insects. Good quality and EV. For such a small subject, DOF is also quite good.
Support Even though there's a little bit of blur on the antennae but I don't think it can be helped at all and it doesn't detract from the EV.Terri G (talk) 15:02, 19 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support: Noooo, please don't crop it! It's perfect just as it is. What a brilliant capture of bizarre behaviour in the animal kingdom, :-) Maedin\talk20:33, 21 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
This is the most encyclopedic angle as it clearly shows how the katydid resembles the ant and how it is also slightly structurally different. --Muhammad(talk)04:42, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support per nom. Size is OK by me. DOF issues are a bit distracting, but my main concern is no full species ID. --jjron (talk) 13:10, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Subject is small in the image, but image is of high quality and while DOF is an issue, head and thorax (and hind legs) are almost entirely in focus. Supports offer good arguments. Consensus is nearly met (depending on how you define "weak" in numbers). Therefore: Promoted Image:Macroxiphus sp cricket.jpg ~ ωαdεstεr16«talkstalk»05:53, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Original - Horseshoe pitching contest at the annual field day of the FSA farmworkers community, Yuma, Arizona (1942)Not for voting - Unrestored original
Reason
The young boys' eyes captivated me. And also: encyclopedic picture of a game of horseshoes at a field day in Yuma, Arizona in 1942. And no, the horizon is not straight. I'm assuming that Russell Lee knew what he was doing when he shot this for the FSA. Restoration included dust and scratchs and dealing with a particularly nastily faded original.
It has to "illustrates the subject in a compelling way". Since nothing is historically unique about this photo (someone could easily recreate it today), why should we settle for a drab, grainy, black and white photo to illustrate the article? Kaldari (talk) 15:55, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It's an illustration of the game of horseshoes in the 1940s. I understand the game went through a number of changes, including the height of the thingamajig sticking out of the ground (can you tell I'm not an expert? :) -- Michel Vuijlsteke (talk) 22:49, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I like the image and it's historically significant, but at the moment its encyclopaedic use doesn't meet requirements. Its use in horseshoe is barely relevant (they're holding horseshoes, so what? How does this actually illustrate a horseshoe or its use? What are they doing with them?), and I can't immediately see its relevance to field day. Okay, I need to learn to read, scrap that - I just realised the difference between horseshoe and horseshoes. Now that is relevant - it shows the age of the game, and the culture and environment in which it was played. However I still think we can squeeze a bit more EV out of this as an example of Lee's work and the material that the FSA's depression photography program gathered around this time (with reference to Walker Evans, Dorothea Lange etc.) —Vanderdecken∴ ∫ξφ12:08, 25 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support. The EV for horseshoes is clear to me. (I'm American; this game is well known in the United States). Horizon doesn't bother me either: perhaps they were on an incline (the fenceposts on the left hand side and the posture of the two men are pretty close to vertical.) Spikebrennan (talk) 16:29, 25 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support -- not sure I like the tilted angle, and the photo looks a bit fuzzy, but it seems to meet our requirements for a featured picture. ♪TempodiValse ♪13:36, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
He's aiming at a small metal post, similar to the one at his feet. I don't see how you could really take a good photograph that includes the players and the target post-- either you're going to have depth of field issues, or a lot of uninteresting space in the middle. Spikebrennan (talk) 13:40, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. While it's a striking photograph, it doesn't tell me anything about the monument. I had to go to the page to have any idea what the photograph was representing. In short, it's great picture, a terrible illustration. Also, most of the picture is out of focus, and the HDR looks excessive. Mostlyharmless (talk) 04:58, 25 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - too small, HDR is excessive (making the monument itself look as if it's been inexpertly cut out and placed on a fake sky), is a confusing way to illustrate the subject in question. Quite nice artistically, but fails on encyclopaedic use. —Vanderdecken∴ ∫ξφ11:57, 25 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral: I love this photo. Please try and do some work on it, to bring it out more. The EV is low with this one, but its a great image nonetheless. Synergy00:19, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Quite encyclopedic image of ethnographer Frances Densmore in the actual process of preserving Native American language and culture. The picture shows Densmore with Mountain Chief, a Blackfoot chief she was recording for the Bureau of American Ethnology.
Support per nom. Very nice restoration, and high EV. I'm curious: did Mountain Chief put on his regalia to make the sound recording because it was a special occasion, or were those the clothes that he was going to wear that day anyway? Spikebrennan (talk) 00:01, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Google to the rescue[1]! I came across the picture completely by accident on the Library of Congress site, but apparently, in the words of National Geographic[2]:
This 1916 image of Frances Densmore and Blackfoot leader Mountain Chief listening to a cylinder recording has become a symbol of the early songcatcher era.
He's most probably not listening, of course: Densmore is recording onto a wax cylinder. The picture was published in Mickey Hart, K.M. Kostyal, Songcatchers: In Search of the World's Music, National Geographic, 2003 (ISBN079224107X). Weird restoration on the NG site, by the way. :D -- Michel Vuijlsteke (talk) 17:43, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Except this now raises an issue with accuracy - see Criterion 6. NatGeo are saying they're listening, the image page description, presumably generated from the LoC notes, are saying they're recording. I've had issues with the accuracy of LoC information before (see the recent Heckler nom below for one example), and would be inclined to believe NatGeo. Is there a way to distinguish whether this is a recording or listening device (and how much does that then verge on OR)? --jjron (talk) 07:25, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I was wrong. But neither LoC nor NatGeo are wrong: Densmore was most probably "recording Mountain Chief", i.e. Mountain Chief was there to be recorded, had been recorded or was about to be recorded (the date of the photo coincides with recordings of Mountain Chief[3]). This picture however is not of a recording: the listening horn is on the device.
This photo, taken in Washington, D.C., reflects the special aims and conditions not of the "oral poetry act" but rather of what might be called the "photography act." For the benefit of the photographer and posterity, Mountain Chief has donned his ceremonial native dress (his own?). At his side are emblems of the vanishing Native American culture that Densmore was doing her best to document. The collector adopts a non-assuming pose, eyes lowered on the machine. Mountain Chief gestures as if declaiming, although any sound that he is uttering at this moment would not be registered, for he is seated before the listening horn of the machine, not the recording horn.[4]
You do realise it's a different picture? Admittedly the device looks to be the same, but accuracy and EV are sliding IMO. And shouldn't captions and image page be changed if it's not a recording? (Not to mention filename, etc). --jjron (talk) 07:49, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That's overstating the case a bit. It's a series of pictures taken on the same day. I found at least one picture in the series (this one) where Densmore has her eyes lowered on the machine, but at least one other (the one in the link above) doesn't. Some have Mountain Chief gesturing (cf. link above), some don't (cf. this image). I can't rename the picture, but I've modified the caption. -- Michel Vuijlsteke (talk) 14:07, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not overstating anything. I don't know how you know that these images were taken on the same day - I can see no date associated with the one at [5], certainly the background is completely different, the chair the chief is on is different, and while that image is pretty low res, either his pants are different or he's got something hanging over his knee, and Densmore's hair also looks to be different. Regardless, there seems to be a lot of guessing going on here from all parties. You even accidentally misquoted the image caption from the above link which in fact says "...Mountain Chief has donned ceremonial dress (his own, or someone else's?)..." - so even that caption is guessing at what's going on, and they're unsure whether the ceremonial dress is genuine, i.e., it might not even be his. BTW you can get files renamed I believe, or upload under a new name and request a deletion. --jjron (talk) 06:31, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Urgh. I really should check things before I reply. I was wrong (again), but the sources can be reconciled, and both the proposed caption and the original reason is correct. You can't be a 100% sure, I agree. But then again, you can't be sure of *anything*. Al you can go by is the sources. Here's a couple of different versions of the images I found:
LoC: "Piegan Indian, Mountain Chief, having his voice recorded by ethnologist Frances Densmore", dated "1916" [6] (scanned photographic print) and "Blackfoot Chief, Mountain Chief making phonographic record at Smithsonian, 2/9/1916" [7] (scanned glass negative)
LoC: "Frances Densmore using wax cylinder phonograph to record Mountain Chief, a Blackfoot Indian", dated "1916" [8]. Location is different: stone wall and stairs in background instead of dark cloth screen. Densmore is dressed the same but looks dark-haired, not gray; Mountain Chief is dressed differently.
Niles, Homo Narrans, 1999: "Frances Densmore, collector, with Mountain Chief of the Blackfoot Tribe, 1906. [...] donned ceremonial dress (his own, or someone else's?)" [9]. Dated 1906 in caption. Probably same session but slightly different from (2): same paraphernalia in front of Mountain Chief but Densmore looks up, not down. (Note that the missing "or someone else's" in my quotation above was not an accidental misquote: I didn't feel like retyping everything and copy-pasted from [10])
NatGeo: "This 1916 image of Frances Densmore and Blackfoot leader Mountain Chief listening to a cylinder recording has become a symbol of the early songcatcher era." [11] = retouched version of (1)
Smithsonian: CD cover, "Healing Songs of the American Indian" [12] = cropped version of (2)
Nettl and Bohlman, Comparative Musicology and Anthropology of Music, 1991: "Frances Densmore, ethnomudicologist, with Mountain Chief, a Blackfoot Indian, who is interpreting in sign language a song being played on a phonograph" [13] = version of (3), but dated 1916
Becker, Selling tradition, 1998: "Ethnomusicologist Frances Densmore and Mountain Chief of the Blackfoot tribe listen to a cylinder recording in 1906. [...] This photograph was taken outside the Smithsonian in Washington." [14] = version of (3)
Adolf Hungry-Wolf, The Blackfoot Papers: "Mountain Chief, having some of his songs recorded on wax cylinders [...] during a visit he made to Washington, D.C. around 1915. He has on his intertribal outfit, with Sioux headdress and fringed backskin suit" [15] dated around 1915 = version of (1)
There are more sources on Google Book Search. With a heavy dose of Occam's razor: there were two photo sessions, one in 1906 (at least once misreported as 1916) and one ca. 1916 (sources say 1914, ca. 1915, 1916). Both were staged. The sources seem to agree that Mountain Chief is not in the process of being recorded but rather listening, in both photos. Mountain Chief was however recorded by Frances Densmore: all sources agree that he was. The more recent photo (1) is dated quite precisely "2/9/1916" at the LoC; there is a recording of Mountain Chief dated quite precisely 2/16/1916 [16].
Conclusions? This picture is beyond any reasonable doubt a picture of Frances Densmore and Mountain Chief. According to the sources, the picture was taken in February 1916; Frances Densmore recorded Mountain Chief; recordings of Mountain Chief in February 1916 survive. "Frances Densmore recording Mountain Chief" is a reasonable image name; "Frances Densmore at the Smithsonian Institution in 1916 where she was recording Blackfoot chief Mountain Chief for the Bureau of American Ethnology. In this picture, Mountain Chief is listening to a recording." is a reasonable image caption. -- Michel Vuijlsteke (talk) 19:47, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Nice one - conveys an interesting story. Would be interested to know what they were actually recording. One could complain about the awkward arrangement with the subjects against the background screen, but I find it acceptable. --jjron (talk) 06:52, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral per issues raised in above discussion. I do like the photo, but accuracy and EV appear compromised. Perhaps needs to be suspended pending clarification, which may or may not be possible. --jjron (talk) 07:49, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The conversation about the caption is legitimate, but easily solved by making the caption more vague. I also quoted both captions at the Commons image page. When two very trustworthy sources disagree, might as well just make it vague because Wikipedians can't determine which is right. Otherwise, this is has obvious support. Promoted Image:Frances Densmore recording Mountain Chief2.jpg ~ ωαdεstεr16«talkstalk»19:57, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
LOL. There's a fine solution for lack of EV - just make the supposed information in captions etc vaguer! :-) --jjron (talk) 06:39, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The photo shows a RECORDING session. If nothing else, the recording attachment (special arm and horn) clearly visible proves it. The tonearm and horn for listening on this type of machine look very different. We can even determine the exact moment of the photo shoot: Densmore has just started the machine and is lowering the recorder onto the blank wax - during actual recording OR playback her hand would have not been touching the tonearm! - and Mountain Chief is visibly concentrating, ready to launch his song or speech as soon as she gives the sign that the phonograph is running.
One obvious nonsense in the Smithsonian description is of course that he "interprets a song in Plains Indian sign language". One could record SIGN LANGUAGE on a movie camera I suppose, but we have an AUDIO recording session here so he must be reciting or singing. At any rate, "interpreting" is clearly not used in the sense of "translating" or "explaining", but means "performing" (like a pianist "interprets" a Chopin piece by playing it, and an actor "interprets" a role by speaking the words. 91.65.175.94 (talk) 15:17, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Original - Image of Dresden, Germany during the 1890s before World War II damage.
Reason
The German Wikimedia chapter made an announcement yesterday that the University of Dresden library has agreed to release 250,000 images from its collection directly to Wikimedia Commons. This restoration is a way of saying thank you: a high resolution view of the city before very extensive damage during World War II. Here's hoping it passes the exacting standards of FPC. Restored version of Image:Dresden photochrom.jpg.
Oppose It has gone around more than once, probably 370 or 380 degrees. The stitching is pretty average, the horizon is wavy and there are clear exposure differences between frames. Noodle snacks (talk) 00:24, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
We can't add sillyness into articles. This is just a fun clip art used for User pages and other non-article stuff. If icons were elegible though, half of the ones in Commons would be FP. --ZooFari, today's top vandal. (talk) 04:18, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Refreshingly strong support Let's not be quite so serious here guys. It's a fun image and also there's bound to some articles on smileys, cyber culture, memes etc. to which it could contribute.
Original - A piece of crushed gum. Note the hard coating and soft interior. Place your nose close enough to your computer screen and you will smell its minty freshnessEdit 1 - Removed dust and scratches, removed grain from background. Selective sharpening.Edit 2 - Downsampled to 10x6 to improve sharpness, (then upsampled again as was too small to be visible)Alt 1
Reason
Ultra high quality, really tasty, the composition bests the like of Ansel Adams
Support Edit2 sharpness is vastly improved in my edit, not to mention page load times. Also can be faxed more accurately. Mfield (Oi!) 02:31, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
She's there alright, it's a positional (and thus compositional) thing. Maybe it could be reshot from a different angle at which point we could delist and replace. Mfield (Oi!) 03:04, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Supprt Alt 1 I had the original run through a new algorithm which enhances the picture and reconstructs objects. Sorry about the colour change though. --Muhammad(talk)04:46, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support Currently enough for a gallon of BGH milk, a box of easy mac, and a pack of cigarettes (the FDA's three main food groups). Add a few more and you can bail out your own car company! ~ ωαdεstεr16«talkstalk»03:18, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, maybe... Does not meet the size criteria. But if this is rare, I may make an exception. However, I prefer this nominated at Valued pictures. ZooFari03:56, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose This is a great photo technically, but it's so obviously staged (note the careful lighting, work clothes and equipment in immaculate condition, etc) I don't see any EV and I don't think that it meets criteria 3 and 5. Nick-D (talk) 22:18, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: I could really see the value of this subject if it were candid. But not as a studio shot. The lighting, as well, gives it distracting "atmosphere". The reality wasn't quite so glamorous, so I don't think this is an accurate enough representation. Maedin\talk18:16, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I get what you're saying. I removed the image from the Rivet article. I do however think the image is quite encyclopedically valuable for the United States Office of War Information and other articles, and precisely for the reasons it is not a good shot for rivet: this is obviously a staged shot. Through images like this the OWI is deliberately glamorizing women in their war-related roles, as part of its propaganda mission. -- Michel Vuijlsteke (talk) 00:05, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Original - A male hoverfly of the Eupeodes corollae species. Male hoverflies are easily recognized by the holoptic eyes, touching at the top of the head. This species is very common in Europe, where it has been used experimentally to control the population of aphids. Though adults are vegetarian, feeding on pollen, larvae feed on aphids.
Reason
high quality depiction of a common species showing characteristic feature of males
Comment. Nice image but I notice it is already in a featured picture as part of this poster (File:Syrphidae poster.jpg) also created by Alvesgaspar. Would this preclude it from being an FP itself? I'm not sure. |→ Spaully₪† 12:32, 27 March 2009 (GMT)
So the values are in the low 240s instead of 255, correct? However, they look blown (although perhaps not completely blown) to the eye. Ultimately, people and not machines will look at this image, many of whom who have minimal photographic experience. They won't bother to check the histogram, just be distracted by a blob of (off-)white in the middle of the image. I will, however, keep an open mind and watch this nom closely.--HereToHelp(talk to me)12:53, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. I think if the background weren't so distracting, I might nominate that one. I guess I need to learn more about lighting so I can get those dark backgrounds. 98.193.167.252 (talk) 16:06, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Usually fast shutter speeds with small apertures and flash lighting produce those dark backgrounds. Personally, I don't like them though --Muhammad(talk)17:42, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Just so you know, the FP regulars find sunrises and sunsets to be a somewhat controversially encyclopedic subject. Warning you now. Ceranthor13:39, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose - It's a nice image indeed, but there's little encyclopedic value to speak of. The image as a whole is rather grainy, as well. –Juliancolton | Talk14:16, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - The picture is in a gallery and is not referred to in the article. I can't support an abstract encyclopaedic value. If the article is modified in order to accommodate the picture, we'll se then. -- Alvesgaspar (talk) 00:55, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - harsh lighting, resulting in blown highlights. Perspective is a little too close for comfort. No great EV at the moment in article. With better lighting it would be good - sharpness isn't bad at full resolution, and focus/noise/compression/resolution/aberration are all at good levels. —Vanderdecken∴ ∫ξφ16:42, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
High resolution encyclopedic picture of the first Christian church built in Constantinople. More recent pictures have more trees and, erm, stuff around the church and don't give as clear a view of the building.
Weak Oppose Yeah there are trees and stuff now, but I'm not convinced that a good, modern photo is impossible. The one in Hagia Irene isn't too bad, and the color really brings this place to life. Makeemlighter (talk) 06:22, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Overall size of the insect does affect the details shown. With a large organism, you can move further away from the subject and maintain a considerably larger aperture and still get good DOF. For smaller insects, you have to move as close as possible, use a small aperture to get a good DOF resulting in lack of sharpness. This image is of a larger subject, maybe 1.5 inches?, this is a 9mm subject and I believe getting good details of something of this size is not very difficult. File:Mole cricket02.jpg is of a small subject but then again its a studio shot, and these tend to be better due to obvious reasons. FWIW, I think the image nominated does show good details and sharpness. The small bristles on its legs are visible even at thumbnail size! (from my calculations, the size of these bristles is around 0.1mm). --Muhammad(talk)10:27, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support original - For a subject this size (in a non-studio environment), it's pretty much impossible to get both perfect sharpness and DOF. I don't think there's any important information missing from the photo due to those limitations, though. Kaldari (talk) 20:58, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Alvesgaspar. I realise that the size is problematic, but better quality is possible with the right equipment. The alternative almost has the detail required but seems to be severely over exposed. I know how you feel, I've taken tons of bird photos that are not FP quality due to lack of reach. Noodle snacks (talk) 12:08, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I have recovered the highlights and slightly decreased the exposure of the alternative (shown here as Edit Alt). Comments from everyone will be appreciated. Better? --Muhammad(talk)16:47, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Original - Karnak, as it appeared in 1838. From a tinted lithograph by Louis Hahge, 1806-1885. Restored from File:Karnacs.jpg.
Reason
Wikipedia ought to feature dozens of scenes from ancient Egypt. Not everything important is available in high resolution format yet; here we have a start: the ruins at Karnac, as recorded in 1838. Very high resolution file; smaller courtesy copy available at File:Karnacs2 couresy copy.jpg. Unrestored version at File:Karnacs.jpg.
Strong Support - huge EV, lovely restoration and great quality. I'd like some comment though - looking at the original, this seems a bit too blue. Anyone else agree? —Vanderdecken∴ ∫ξφ16:35, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I agree with Vanderdecken about the colors on this. The colors in the original look a lot more like what the actual place looks like, so maybe a happy medium would work best here. Makeemlighter (talk) 06:19, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Rare color documentation of labor conditions before modern safety regulations were fully implemented. Unusually good textures for a color photo. DurovaCharge!20:45, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I've been thinking about this one for some time. The EV is unquestionably great, but as mentioned earlier, the lack of lighting significantly reduces its overall value. Too much of the image's detail is simply lacking or not visible at all due to this. -- matt3591TC22:27, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support: I'm going to have to agree with Ceranthor and Durova on this. While the lighting is not as good as it should be, this is definitely a good picture with extremely high EV. Its showing just how the average work done by these workers take its toll on facial features and coloration. Synergy00:27, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Yet again I find myself wondering where the (enormous, unquestionably great) EV is. Sunray, Texas: doesn't tell us anything about the town, so no EV. Carbon: it's supposed to illustrate "precautions"; well, that section isn't really about precautions, and this picture doesn't tell me anything the section doesn't or explain anything that the section does say. Carbon black:okay, so this guy works at a carbon black plant...how does that make this picture illustrate carbon black? John Vachon: this is probably where the picture has the most EV. But it's still not a tremendous amount. So, maybe there's a little EV in each of four articles. But it says in the criteria, "An image has more encyclopedic value if it contributes strongly to a single article, rather than contributes weakly to many." Anyone have thoughts on this? Makeemlighter (talk) 06:34, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with you, Makeemlighter, this has artistic value but it's not illustrating the articles. The picture hints at possibly harsh working conditions and long-term damage, but that isn't the subject of the articles it is in. Maedin\talk17:46, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
File:Vote number 1b.jpgOriginal - Political poster for the November 1932 Reichstag election. "Das Volk wählt Liste 1 Nationalsozialisten Reichstagswahl." Translation: "The people are voting for list 1, the Nazis, at the Reischstag election."
Reason
Possibly the most offensive featured content candidate we could run, but highly encyclopedic. Restored version of File:Vote number 1.jpg. Uploaded locally (where admins tend to be draconian about deleting images that aren't used in article space); will supply a smaller courtesy version upon request.
As the template ({{Do not move to Commons}}) on the image page says, the image is PD in the US but not in its country of origin, therefore it cannot be hosted on Commons. I would have asked this question had I not seen the template :). —Vanderdecken∴ ∫ξφ17:41, 20 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment-The poster itself is not offensive-there is no distasteful imagery or Nazi symbols.In fact as Nazi posters go,it's a fairly subdued one.Whilst I appreciate the historical background is deeply disturbing,it's necessary(if somewhat difficult) to consider just the picture itself,regardless of our personal views on its subject. Lemon martini (talk) 13:56, 19 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Just because an image is offensive to you personally doesn't make it any less historically important or of any lower quality. We cannot let personal feelings inform our opinions on whether this is a significant, quality image - The Talking Socktalkcontribs22:19, 20 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Wadester doesn't seem to be calling it personally offensive, or opposing it. Fwiw what bothers me more than many other Nazi images is that it actually is a technically meritorious example of graphic design. It puts a public face on a repulsive bit of history and almost makes it palatable. The Nazis were media-savvy (they had to be good at something in order to rise to power), and this is an example of why not to place uncritical trust a well-packaged media appeal. DurovaCharge!04:23, 21 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Some possible shortcomings of the original file. The circles might make it a little hard to see the white stripes; if so look at the indicated areas in the original.
Actually, upon a closer look I decided to hold my support for the moment. The top of the "1" and the a few parts of the swastika have some pretty annoying white stripes (see image to the left). Are they the result of the restoration process? If so, I think it would be better if they were removed. Diego_pmcTalk22:44, 20 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
No white stripes were visible on my monitor at 100% resolution. What resolution did you see stripes? And what orientation did the stripes have? The original artwork did have some uneven patches in black on the number, most of which appeared to have been segments where black ink had been applied slightly unevenly. If that isn't what you're referring to (and it doesn't seem to be) then I'm a little confused; maybe it's a monitor issue? DurovaCharge!22:54, 20 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
My resolution is 1280x1024. I don't know if they are more obvious because of my monitor, but I can see them quite clearly. But they're surely from the image, they're not the type of things that could result from a misconfiguration of the monitor. They're more like patches of color that are wither than the rest of the color around them, not stripes. It's most visible in the lower corner of the arm of the swastika from center of the image (the one closest to the viewer). Diego_pmcTalk23:04, 20 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
They do appear to be in the original, if not so obvious - they appear to be small wrinkles in the paper combined with some printing artefacts. I'm kind of neutral about this restoration, though: I'd kind of prefer a little more of the original's lightly-aged paper tone, rather than pure white. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 07:16, 21 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose adds little to the articles it's present in in terms of illuminating the text, "list 1" mentioned in the caption isn't mentioned anywhere in any of the articles and the the large "1" is the main focus of the poster's design.Guest9999 (talk) 20:18, 21 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
List 1 refers to the placement of the party's candidates on a ballot. Ballot format itself is rarely important enough to discuss in article text, unless it's the Palm Beach County, Florida butterfly ballot of the 2000 elections. What this image demonstrates is part of how the Nazis gained power: by presenting a simple mnemonic in a visually compelling manner to make it as easy as possible for voters to remember and support them. DurovaCharge!20:34, 21 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That does not appear to be discussed in the articles either, if it was and this poster was shown to be a good example of the phenomenon I would probably support. Sorry for the list 1 confusion I think I misread "at" as "and". Guest9999 (talk) 21:58, 21 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well, it verges on OR to express that much. With most campaign posters relevance is implied in an article that discusses an election or a political career (two posters from the US presidential election of 1864 are recent examples). At Adolf Hitler's rise to power this replaced a fair use image that had been stable at the article for some time. DurovaCharge!22:19, 21 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Have uploaded proposed changes over the existing file. Although it's possible to go even farther, there's a line to be drawn between restoring old graphic art and improving upon the original. It really wouldn't be right to make Nazi propaganda look better than it actually was. DurovaCharge!22:18, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Original (.png) - Enzymes, their cellular location, substrates and products in human steroidogenesis, including synthesis of testosterone, estrogen, progesterone and cortisol.
Reason
Large, lots of important information, useful in multiple important articles. The colors make it look less boring than depictions in black-and-white, if not to say even beautiful.
MediaWiki renders svg-images imperfectly, requiring them to first be converted to a raster format to avoid ugly flaws. Because this version looks better in Wikipedia, I nominated it. Perhaps both versions should be nominated, but I'm not sure that's allowed. Mikael Häggström (talk) 16:50, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - For now. Being in so many articles it is certainly useful, but I'm not able to assess if it deserves FP status. For example, the meaning of the labels is not clear. In the box, it refers to cellular location, but in the figure it appears to indicate some kind of transformation (green) or enzime (red). The type of the colored areas (some of them with a border line, other without) isn't clear either. Let's wait for further opinions and enlightment -- Alvesgaspar (talk) 17:46, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Enzymes have both a cellular localization (e.g. mitochindria or endoplasmic reticulum) as well as a function. I'm not sure, however, that it needs to be specifically stated. As to borders, there is no strict border between e.g. glucocorticoids (green area) and mineralocorticoids (purple area), since they partly overlap. Mikael Häggström (talk) 18:14, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - on comparison of the two versions I don't see any encyclopaedic inaccuracies in the SVG render, only a couple of sub-10px-difference text aligment issues. When we actually have a very good SVG already uploaded, not having to find someone to create one, I can't support the PNG. If the SVG was nominated, you'd have my support, as all other criteria are completely satisfied. —Vanderdecken∴ ∫ξφ19:10, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I added the svg version. The small changes made to it can be made to the next png-derivative later, when we now there are no more changes to be made for now. Mikael Häggström (talk) 10:00, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support as original contributor: I created the black-and-white diagram, and I feel that it's greatly improved by the addition of colour: not only does it make the diagram clearer, but it illustrates the overlap between the functions of the illustrated steroids. I'd also like to note that this is a great example of the multiple-authorship model of Wikipedia! --Slashme (talk) 18:08, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Very nice and hugely useful. Another good svg. |→ Spaully₪† 23:57, 31 March 2009 (GMT)
Nice. I suggest to rotate the enzyme names 180 degrees so they read in the same orientation as the "Androgens (19 corbons)" and "Estrogens (21 carbons)" labels at the left. Less strain people's necks :-) . --İnfoCan (talk) 13:58, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for noticing it! I corrected it, but I found it was better to turn the "Androgens" and "Estrogens" instead, avoiding having to read from bottom to top. Mikael Häggström (talk) 15:55, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Original - A Boeing Chinook of the RAF taking off during a cadet training exercise at a school in Birmingham
Reason
This image was taken during a cadet training exercise at a school in Birmingham. I think it is compositionally very unique and pleasing: the featureless expanse of grass counterpoints the helicopter quite dramatically, and the line of trees draws the eye upwards. The bright sky outlines the helicopter well and also makes visible the dirt and grass blown out by the downdraft. On a more practical note, I notice that the Wikipedia page on the Boeing Chinook (which is the the RAF version as opposed to the American CH-47 version) lacks any other similar image or indeed any other image in which the whole aircraft including rotors is composed.
Oppose. It is a nicely composed image, however it falls on a few points: There are flecks that are either dirt from some form of scan or debris from the wash; the darkness of the image and low light conditions mean it is not very informative about the subject; the low light also means at full size it is fairly unfocussed and noisy. Together these negatives make this an oppose vote, although I do like the photo, sorry. |→ Spaully₪† 23:51, 31 March 2009 (GMT)
CommentAzonixmaestro I think "really bad" is a little abrupt. Surely that's a matter of opinion? Also those flecks are indeed from the downdraft; no dodgy scanning involved. It could perhaps be said that they enhance the picture by illustrating the downdraft. Plus with a correctly calibrated monitor, detail can be resolved along pretty much the whole of the left flank so it's not a complete contrejour.
Oppose I really like many aspects of this photo; it's well framed and the helicopter looks great against the sky. That said, it falls down technically for a number of reasons. Whilst detail can be resolved along its side, it's incredibly noisy there, and being the subject of the photo that's really not great. The photo is at a wide angle too, which means that the trees (and the street lights on the Bristol Road) are not perpendicular to the ground. Both of these aspects detract from the Enc. Value of the photo, which is of great importance to an FPC. At least it settles an argument, I was giving a tutorial to some first year students 300 metres away at the time, a few foolishly claiming that it was landing at The Guild. bad_germ09:47, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Edmund S. Valtman was a Pulitzer Prize winning political cartoonist who donated a portion of his work to the public domain. This example is a caricature of Idi Amin, Ugandan military dictator and the president of Uganda from 1971 to 1979. Restored version of File:Idi Amin caricature.jpg. Scanned from original artist's sketch; pencil lines made by the artist before inking have been retained (most visible at chin and shoulders).
On my system the white balance appears different between Photoshop, Commons, and en:wiki for this image. Have had all three windows open at the same time side by side, and can't explain the discrepancy. That's why I tweaked and reuploaded so many times. DurovaCharge!19:11, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Feel free to try another edit if you can achieve a better balance. The uncompressed TIFF file is linked from the image hosting page. DurovaCharge!17:14, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Terribly sorry but oppose fro the moment. The Library of Congress original isn't terrific to start with, but this image is upsampled from the original tiff, which makes it a little fuzzier still. I would first of all keep the image at its original size, deal with the (scanning?) artifacts on the right hand side of the portrait, and then fiddle with the histogram a bit to increase the contrast. Perhaps do just a leetle sharpening around the eyes (faded to, say, 20% or so), and leave the image otherwise as is. -- Michel Vuijlsteke (talk) 14:43, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Historically valuable and in good quality. Restored version of File:Sadat and Begin.jpg. Egypt was the first Arab country to recognize Israel, and this is the photo of the leaders of both countries when they finalized the agreement that made peace between them.
Comment. I'd suggest a tighter crop over Sadat's head and behind Begin's back, so that it's more obvious which people are the subject of the picture. Spikebrennan (talk) 13:23, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Alternative. Collage of all four sidesSouth FaceEast FaceNorth FaceWest FaceAlt Edit 1 by jjron. Collage of all four sides without text and selective levels & shadows adjustment; article caption and image page description improved
Reason
My first 'image set' nomination. I've always been fairly happy with these images. Image quality and resolution is very good, allowing you to see all 169 historical composers, architects, poets, painters, and sculptors, probably in greater detail than can be seen by the naked eye, as a fence stops the public from getting too close. The set also shows all four sides of the frieze - something that (by the laws of physics) a single photo cannot. I am open to the idea of combining each of them into a single image, but that might require text within the image to annotate the set properly. An idea, anyway, if 4 separate images isn't to taste. For the record, yes I know the lighting isn't consistent for all four images, but that is to be expected when the sun isn't directly overhead. I've tried to take the same shots on an overcast day but found the relief looked a bit flat as a result.
Comment. Before I automatically oppose a 'featured set' (yes, please combine into one image), can you comment on whether these have perspective distortion caused by shooting up, or whether that is the shape of the memorial? If distorted, would you be amenable to correcting for it? Another quibble, but assuming this is a square memorial, shouldn't all images be cropped identically, and thus be identical sizes? There's a fair bit of variation there in both the cropping and sizes. --jjron (talk) 12:05, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Haha, well the reason why I kept them separate is that others may not want all four images (similar to the reason why we prefer to leave diagrams annotated in a particular language), but I suppose we can also have a combined image in addition to the component images. I'll do that tonight. I don't think it is distorted though. If you look at the full monument, you can see the angle that these images were taken from. It was near enough to impossible to get the exact dimensions identical for each image though, given the distance that these images were taken from (30 metres away or so) and the lack of a way to measure the distance accurately. I could downsample them to match more exactly, but I don't think that's really necessary when they're separate files (would be for the combined image, obviously). I don't think there is that much variation in cropping though. I made sure that each image was cropped in the same way, but it is inevitable that there will be slight differences. The fence rails might have been built to inexact tolerances, the grass that I took the image from may have been slightly higher or lower than the equivalent on other sides, etc. All these could contribute to minor variations, but I'd like to think that we're not so picky as to expect a FP photographer to also be a mathematician and surveyor. ;-) Diliff | (Talk)(Contribs)14:59, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
For an FP photographer or standard FPC, no. But for an accursed featured set, yes. They require super-standards :-) --jjron (talk) 07:17, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure if there's a reason for the sequence chosen, it looks odd starting with S, though it does match the table in the article - is that some sort of convention or was that a specific design sequence for the monument or something? Also I don't think the text is required (as you suggested above), I'd just use the image page description and/or the image caption, or at most number (or letter) them on the photo itself so as it's more usable across wikis (and why red text anyway?). Despite that, the collage is better - for example if done individually I'd probably say oppose the blown (or close to) sky in the north image, but that can be excused in the collage version IMO. --jjron (talk) 07:17, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
All of the choices you mentioned regarding the collage were arbitrary, really. I just thought that red text contrasted better than black, and given that there is really no particular 'order' for compass directions (other than the oft-used clockwise NESW), I left it as it was in the article. Diliff | (Talk)(Contribs)08:10, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support Alt Edit 1 or other collage versions. I have done an edit removing the text, and with some selective levels and shadow adjustments to try to even out the lighting a bit and bring out a bit more detail in some parts, and adding a far better text description to the image page. I also edited the article to show you how I think this would be better placed, including an improved caption (am happy for you to revert once you've had a look). If you want to edit back off the originals and replace my version would support that too. However oppose the featured set for reasons given above, and also because it only appears in a gallery in the article. --jjron (talk) 07:12, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
As the nominator commented in the original reason "I've tried to take the same shots on an overcast day but found the relief looked a bit flat as a result". Seems you can't have it all ways. --jjron (talk) 16:23, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I haven't viewed full res due to large size but IMO EV is very good. For the closer, if the nomination does not receive enough supports for promotion, then count this as a support as quality must be good. Prefer alternative, then Alt edit1--Muhammad(talk)05:52, 5 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Original - Close-up view of sunflower, Helianthus annus showing the disc florets. From the center of the flower head, inflorescence of small disc florets emerge in a spiral fashion followed by the larger yellow ray florets- parts of which are seen at the edges of the picture above
Reason
Good quality, DOF, and EV. The image has been in some of the articles for more than 2 months now.
Support. The most glaring issue mentioned in the previous nomination looks fixed. I would like to know what the grub thingy is in the middle of the picture. Might be some EV in that. :) -- Michel Vuijlsteke (talk) 08:57, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'll rephrase: I'd like to know exactly what the grub-like, worm-like thingy in the middle is: a larva of some sort perhaps? To me it's the star of the picture: once you've seen it's there, it's noticeable even in the thumbnail. -- Michel Vuijlsteke (talk) 16:21, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That doesn't seem very specific. Is a species ID not possible? Your reference is to an order made up of all moths and butterflies (referenced as "one of the most speciose orders in the class Insecta" in the article). ~ ωαdεstεr16«talkstalk»06:37, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Species id for the larva is impossible as I did not see the worm before photographing the flower and I do not have any picture with good details. Nonetheless, this image is supposed to show a sunflower and IMO it does that. The worm is a bonus. --Muhammad(talk)07:09, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral its pretty interesting, plus its sharp and detailed. The focus stack seems to have been fairly well done. Unfortunately the highlights are severely blown, which isn't really acceptable for a subject that you can shoot again. Noodle snacks (talk) 12:14, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I suggest you do, the current FP has higher encyclopaedic value and better composition. I doubt this would pass in contrast, however you can leave it to process if you wish, it's your decision. —Vanderdecken∴ ∫ξφ12:12, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support Well personally I support it, as quality is decent and EV seems great. It is a different howitzer than the above referenced M198, though admittedly of the same caliber. We don't have a "scope" concept here similar to the the Commons version of Valued Pictures, so it's possible to have more than one FP for similar subjects. The nom'd image is in a separate article as well so I'm not sure it's diluted too much by the existence of the other FP. Fletcher (talk) 00:51, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I have a copyright question. This image came from flickr and was licensed there under CC-BY. However, this was changed to PD-USGov-Military-Army. Is this right? There is no evidence that this photo was "made during the course of the person's official duties." The argument goes that I guess any private photos you take while during a tour of duty become PD? Is that correct, or should we revert the copyright tag back to CC-BY?-Andrew c[talk]13:29, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
:::Hi, the question here is was the image taken white the person was on duty. If it was an image of a bunch of soldiers playing football on base, I'd tend to agree that this would belong to the person who took the image. However, this image was taken by a soldier, during deployment, and is of an artillery piece in action, which would indicate to me that they were on duty, and that the image was taken while they were under the employment of the army. Since the image was taken while they were working for the army, the image becomes the property of their employer, similar to how a web designer does not own the copyright to work that they did for a company while they were working for that company. My tagging was based on some other images that I had seen which were also personal flickr images and were imported here: [17] and [18] Apparently the army has an account on flickr too. Go figure. If this was wrong, I will certainly offer my apology. --Terrillja talk18:24, 23 March 2009 (UTC) per Fletcher below[reply]
I would say the question is more like, was the image taken as part of the person's official duties -- in other words, was the photographer employed by the army to take photographs? In contrast to someone taking a personal photo with their own camera during a tour of duty. The photographer's user page User:Jonathanmallard says he is a medic and the EXIF data indicates it was shot with a Canon Point & Shoot, not a professional SLR like you would expect a military photographer to use, so I tend to think this is a personal photo. I doubt soldiers' personal photos are required to be in the public domain. Fletcher (talk) 22:00, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, my thoughts exactly. Perhaps, without further hard evidence, since no one seems to know for sure, we should just defer to the license this user released the image on flickr? I'm not sure which is worse, releasing someones personal photo into the public domain or adding a CC-BY stipulation to an otherwise PD government image (assuming we choose the wrong license here)?-Andrew c[talk]22:15, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I think it's better to protect someone's rights that might not exist than to deny someone's rights that might really exist. I changed it back to the CC license. Maybe Jonathan can clarify it for us. Fletcher (talk) 01:53, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
*Note Someone should also check out this one, since it was taken by the same person and tagged pd-usgov-army by another user on commons. Perhaps this needs to be clarified somewhere what official duties entails. Does an image taken while on patrol count as "on duty" if you are not an army photographer? I mean you aren't employed as a photographer, but you are working on taxpayer time, so what is the deal there?--Terrillja talk02:22, 24 March 2009 (UTC)per Fletcher below[reply]
A "work of the United States Government," referred to in this document as a U.S. Government work, is a work prepared by an officer or employee of the United States Government as part of that person's official duties. (See 17 USC § 101, Definitions.56) [...]
An officer's or employee's official duties are the duties assigned to the individual as a result of employment. Generally, official duties would be described in a position description and include other incidental duties. Official duties do not include work done at a government officer's or employee's own volition, even if the subject matter is government work, so long as the work was not required as part of the individual's official duty. (S.REP. NO. 473, 94th Cong., 2d Sess. 56-57) (1976) "A government official or employee should not be prevented from securing copyright in a work written at his own volition and outside his duties, even though the subject matter involves his government work or his professional field.") For further discussion, see Tresansky, John O. Copyright in Government Employee Authored Works. 57 30 Cath. L. Rev. 605 (1981).
So if his official duties as a medic do not include taking pictures of howitzers then the copyright still belongs to him. If he is taking pictures on taxpayer time that is a discipline issue, not a copyright issue. But I don't think we can assume even that much; maybe he is doing it on whatever free time he is given. And it's not like snapping a pic with a point and shoot is a big waste of time anyway. I could see your point if he was doing a long exposure on a view camera trying to be Ansel Adams of Afghanistan while someone is bleeding out on a gurney in the clinic, but I don't think that's what's happening here! :-) Fletcher (talk) 03:05, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support assuming copyright can be sorted out. Shame the angle isn't quite as good as the other FP, but I think it's still good enough to illustrate the article it's in. Terri G (talk) 18:33, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Since that image illustrates a different gun, I don't think that's an addressable concern. I suggest that all commenters with this rationale reconsider their !votes. Mostlyharmless (talk) 05:03, 25 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'd say it's a valid point, even in the sense that it indicates that a better shot of this subject is quite acquirable. It's pretty common to compare noms to existing FPs of similar subjects, e.g., a new butterfly nom to existing butterfly FPs. --jjron (talk) 13:17, 25 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I got to take this picture because a friend of mine knew people over at the field artillery unit on my FOB. It had been a dream of mine to load and pull the lanyard of a Howitzer. heck im a sucker for big guns! after i got to do that I took this photo on my time. clinic was over we had no traumas to speak of. I really dont care what the copyright is. i just wanted as many people as possible to enjoy my photography. im a medic i work trauma day in and day out. photography is my stress reliever it keeps me from going crazy. I just want people to enjoy my photography and if my name is at the bottom that i took it thats all i care about. heres me about to load the M777: [19]. Jonathanmallard—Preceding undated comment added 12:32, 26 March 2009 (UTC).[reply]
Some more input would be nice now that the copyright issue has been resolved by the copyright holder. I'll also point out that the user's Flickr gallery is quite fascinating. Check it out if you have some time (personal opinion, of course). Best of luck to our soldier overseas. ~ ωαdεstεr16«talkstalk»05:43, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I don't know if the creator is still watching, but I don't quite get the dimensions on this image. It looks odd at this size when there's no apparent reason for the crop of the height (this camera takes fullsize images at 3648×2736) - in fact if there was more height then the smoke wouldn't have to be cutoff at the top. I'd like to hear an explanation, but the awkward looking crop along with other reasons given above, inclines me towards opposing. --jjron (talk) 14:25, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Support Outstanding image. Opposing on the grounds that we already have an existing FP of a different towed artillery piece is like opposing the next high quality image of an insect on the grounds that we already have a FP of a bug. --Leivick (talk) 03:30, 6 April 2009
Comment.Jjron i had just bought the camera i was not familiar with all its settings. I had put my camera on the wide screen setting because it looks great on my desktop. thanks Jonathanmallard—Preceding undated comment added 21:58, 12 April 2009 (UTC).[reply]
Support Edit I gave the original a sharpen (hope you don't mind), I think you should chop off a bit since it looks a bit off centre atm. I've attached an edit with a mild curves and such a crop. The depth of field is a shallow, but its obviously a pretty small flower. Noodle snacks (talk)
Thanks for the edit. I didn't think to sharpen it, good idea. The crop looks better too. Yeah, the DOF isn't amazing, but two of the flowers are completely in focus, and several of the others are mostly in focus, so you aren't loosing any important information at least. Kaldari (talk) 03:17, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I redid the original with the following edits: cropped to put the flowers in the center, sharpened, saved at a lower compression setting (less jpeg artifacting), plus I got rid of the clarity boost I did on the RAW file since that combined with the sharpening was making the petals look too papery and brittle, when in actuality they appear quite soft. (That's why mine looks a little less contrasty that yours.) Hope I managed to improve it. Let me know if you still like your edit better. Kaldari (talk) 20:34, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
You can get a good idea of their size from this picture. The flowers always grow in bunches, so it seems more encyclopedic to show a bunch, IMO, even if that means not all of them are in focus. Kaldari (talk) 17:41, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support original. Per creators comments about what it really looks like. Nice image. |→ Spaully₪† 11:12, 7 April 2009 (GMT)
Original - BTW, I should also note that I tweaked the color on the original to be more lavender, as it matches the actual color more closely. I'm not sure how I got pure blue flowers in the first version of the photo, but if you see them in real life, there's definitely a touch of lavender. Kaldari (talk) 15:25, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Original - Original - Smoke pours from the #2 turret aboard the battleship USS Iowa (BB-61) following an internal explosion near Puerto Rico.Edit 1
Reason
This year marks the 20th anniversary of this US Navy incident, and I still think this image has what it takes to be featured. Previous attempts have suffered from one or two technical issues and insufficient support for consensus, but I hope that third time will be lucky. I would like to have this image featured in time for the 20th anniversary of the incident, although that desire is second to ensuring that FPC criteria are upheld.
Past consensus such as it existed has always been less than five people. The first time garnered only two opposes, the second had only support but not enough for promotion. To say that you oppose per past conesensus implies either opposition to the image on grounds hat it has failed to garner the need support to pass or opposition becuase of tehnical issues which are beleived to have been addressed in the touched up version below the original. Since you are asked to a give a valid reason for opposition that can be addressed, I respectfully seek claification on your opposition so I can better understand why you beleive the image should not be promoted. TomStar81 (Talk) 22:12, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Of course. The first one has compression issues (or blurred in thumbnail) and they both obviously are too grainy. If it has value though, this may be eligible for Valued Pictures. ZooFari, today's top vandal. (talk) 22:18, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - between the technical and the aesthetic, I don't think it's up to FP standards, although it's certainly a valuable image.--ragesoss (talk) 20:13, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Original - An F-15C is met by maintenance personnel at Aviano Air Base during Operation Deny Flight.Edit 1. Crop to remove some of the grass. Remove noise and enhance color with iPhoto
Reason
I've never nominated a FP before, but I think that this is just a stunning image, particularly the rather ominous clouds in the background. In my opinion, it has excellent symbolism within the context of Operation Deny Flight and the Bosnian War. The raw power of the F-15C, but also the dark clouds gathering in the background. The picture was taken in 1993, just when it seemed like NATO airpower would make a big difference, but the optimists ignored the dark clouds in the background, which eventually led to Srebenica and the like.
Weak Oppose - I'd rather have the uniform film grain noise (it is film grain, as opposed to nasty digital CCD colour noise) than the strange lack of texture and non-uniform correction in the edit. As it is, I don't think the encyclopaedic value or the wow factor are high enough to justify the minor less-than-perfect-ness of the technical execution. —Vanderdecken∴ ∫ξφ19:05, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose original, Strong oppose edit. Film grain is much preferable to the results of trying to remove grain digitally.--ragesoss (talk) 19:56, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I agree that the original is better than the edit. In my opinion, the edit also loses much of the "foreboding" that gives the original its value; however, it appears that no one else is supporting this anyway. Cool3 (talk) 21:33, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Original - An hoverfly (Xanthogramma pedissequum) in flight. Hoverflies form a large family of about 5000 species with hovering and darting flight. Most are nectar or pollen feeders and many mimic the color patterns of wasps and bees.
Reason
An uncommon and enc view of an hoverfly in flight, hovering above the ground. Though not technically excellent, I believe it illustrates the subject better than existing FP's, including Fir's marvellous airborne sex photo.
Oppose. You're right, it certainly does illustrate insect flight better than Fir's shot (although I think we would ideally need a sharp, super slow-mo animation), but given the image quality and the fact that the subject takes up such a small proportion of the frame, I think it is probably more of a VPC than FPC. I'm not saying it isn't a wonderful shot though. I know it is, because I've tried and never managed to lock focus on one of those hoverflies in time to capture it before it flew away. :-) Diliff | (Talk)(Contribs)14:16, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
To be fair though, it isn't really about what is possible or impossible, but rather what is realistic. Fir managed to get extremely lucky with that mating fly photo, and I do wonder how many hours he spent shooting before he got that one. Not to say that skill wasn't involved either though! Diliff | (Talk)(Contribs)07:52, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Eclairage, plate by Maurice Dessertenne for volume IV (E-G) of the Nouveau Larousse illustré (France, 1898-1907). Is there's anyone here who didn't spend countless hours pouring over illustrations like this in encyclopedias when they were young? And who still does?
Illustrates high-quality custom-made engravings for encyclopedias, and of course the various means of making light through the ages (prehistory - ca. 1900).
The way everything is slotted into "Antiquity", "Middle age and modern times", "Contemporary period" and, weirdly, "Japan", just adds to the charm, I feel.
Support: Superb resolution. Could you please fix two small things? There is "debris" to be removed to the left of the 1 and at the bottom right corner. Maedin\talk20:24, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Original - The Dry Tortugas Light, on Loggerhead Key in the Florida Keys, was constructed between 1856 and 1858 to replace the Garden Key Light as the major seacoast light for the Dry Tortugas. The tower walls are six feet thick at the base, tapering to four feet thick at the top, and the light is shown 157 ft above the water; a radio room is attached to the base. The lighthouse was automated in 1988. Its beacon can be seen to 28 miles at sea.
Reason
Excellent, high-resolution view not only of the original light tower, but of the station outbuildings as well, providing a nice idea of the station layout. It also shows the effect weathering has had on the structure.
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Support Excellent clarity, cannot see any noticeable noise or artifacts... Intruiging picture too as I assume this was taken from the sea, however there is no bluriness which I would expect from a sea based viewpoint due to the "motion of the ocean" to coin a phrase... Gazhiley (talk) 10:18, 3 April 2009 (UTC)...[reply]
Oppose (Not quite a full oppose, but a little more than a weak oppose). Though good enc., I just don't think the quality is quite there–there's more noise than I'd prefer (mostly in the sky), sharpness overall is a tad lacking, and the beach and white buildings are a bit too bright, IMO. In addition, I'd prefer a slight crop on the left to remove the cut-off palm tree. SpencerT♦Nominate!21:05, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: Well, I'm with Spencer on this one. And I think I spot some over-saturation (palm trees, dock), though someone could feel free to refute that if I'm wrong. Maedin\talk20:29, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment - Relisting this picture was a mild and civilized way of dealing with a gross closing mistake. After this agressive striking action, the question is: shall we continue with the poll or just promote the picture, as it should have been done before? -- Alvesgaspar (talk) 19:57, 21 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The behaviour of "do the original votes count yes-no-yes-no" has ruined any chance of this having a fair run anymore in this page. Hence, per talk page, provisionally promoting per original votes, but listing as a delist nom. Promoted Image:Dry Tortugas Lighthouse 2005.jp --Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 15:51, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Original - Shear warp volumetric render of a mouse skull; 360-degree view.
Reason
This image is an outstanding example of shear warp volume rendering. I was certain that it would be featured when I clicked on the image, but no such tag came up. The image is very informative and it displays the mouse skull in a clear and intuitive fashion.
Strong Support I often think looking at skulls and imagining the creature underneath is a rather unintuitive task, this gif makes it really easy. I agree that its amazing this hasn't been featured already. --Tobyw87 (talk) 23:07, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for now. -- Amazing, I agree. But the caption is not good enough for us to understand what's going on. For example, what are the ghost-like artifacts around the skull? Also, the animation is too fast -- Alvesgaspar (talk) 23:36, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
This is done from a CT scan. Soft tissues show up on X-rays as that sort of ghostly afterimage - you're pretty much seeing the rat's body as an afterimage, which, if anything, makes it more useful. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 02:52, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Why would that increase it's value significantly? I don't imagine mouse skulls vary to a huge degree per species. And how often does someone need to look up what a particular species' skull looks like? Kaldari (talk) 02:44, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support Informative, clear, and fairly high rez for an animated gif. The only downside is a distracting orbiting speck around the height where the upper and lower teeth/incisors meet.--HereToHelp(talk to me)00:27, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Of high artistic merit, and highly encyclopedic for Gilbert, the play, and the history of a theatre that largely came to be a success because of Gilbert's plays.
Original - Design for a Republican costume by Jacques-Louis David. Hand-coloured engraving by Denon (1794)Not for voting - unrestored original for comparison
Reason
Encyclopedic engraving by Denon of a drawing by David for a costume for peoples' reprensentatives.
Minimal restoration: stains and dust removed, cropped/rotated, contrast enhanced. Chose to keep paper grain, not to bleach paper to white and not to remove all traces of darkening towards the edges.
Conditional support - It's very good, but the crop's a bit tight at the bottom. Recrop it so there's some space between the bottom of the f and the bottom of the image, and you have my vote. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 22:00, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Original - Traumatic insemination, seen here in the bedbugCimex lectularius, is the insertion of sperm into the female by breaking through the carapace of the abdomen and injecting the sperm inside. This makes the male's reproduction more efficient; however, the threat of infection and necessity of healing decreases the female's life expectancy. Traumatic insemination is also found in some other invertebrate species, including some nematodes, flies, and leaf bugs.Edit1 Gaussian blur on background to reduce artifacts
Reason
A stunning illustration: You can see the carapace cracking.
Support. Impressive stuff. Adds great value. |→ Spaully₪† 23:58, 2 April 2009 (GMT)
Comment You know, I've just been looking closer, and noticed there's some JPEG artefacting. It seems to be almost entirely in the background, but be aware. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 01:07, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Conditional support. Too bad about the focus, but there's not much that can be done about that. There is however a dust particle on the sensor or the mirror, just under the thorax of the male. Full support with bells if you remove that. -- Michel Vuijlsteke (talk) 08:50, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Probably not -- In the majority of examples of invertebrate nociception noted above, there seems to be little, if any, evidence that the animals' responses persist in anything akin to the manner described for mammals. As Eisemann et al. (1984) have described in a review of the "biological evidence" concerning pain in insects, "No example is known to us of an insect showing protective behavior towards injured parts, such as by limping after leg injury or declining to feed or mate because of general abdominal injuries. On the contrary, our experience has been that insects will continue with normal activities even after severe injury or removal of body parts."Raul654 (talk) 16:07, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Although a little busy as a thumbnail, the larger version is captivating. It adds to the article because it's the only image in the article that shows the visual effect of a mass deployment of sky lanterns during a festival. the other images are of single lanterns. There is a blurry gentleman in the foreground but i think it enhances the image by providing some perspective. the lanterns themselves are in focus and the lighting is good for such a scene. note:There is an alternative version of this without the left side cropped off. I think the crop is tasteful, but if the other version is preferable, I'd be happy with either. uncropped version
Oppose. Really like the shot, but it's been overly downsampled (not just in size). It looks a bit noisy, but how noisy is hard to tell with the extensive artifacting. Would like to see a better quality version of this if the uploader is willing to provide one; a D80 produces better quality images than this. --jjron (talk) 16:33, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I contacted the uploader and he provided a higher resolution version. His comments on it: "The photo is a bit grainy as the Nikon D80 doesn't really perform very well in dark situations when using settings above 800 ISO. The smoke of all the lanterns going up in the air also contributes to what might look like grain." - Lambajan14:53, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, had a look at the bigger version and a quick play to see what I could do, but sadly the quality is just not there for mine, just too noisy; looks like the camera can't really handle the ISO 1250. Doubt my camera wouldn't do any better I must say. Maybe worth a try at VPC? --jjron (talk) 16:36, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
A fairly aggressive noise reduction and a black point adjustment worked pretty well imo, there isn't much fine detail to loose. Unfortunately cameras are at their weakest with dark areas and high isos though.
Original - A Mediterranean house gecko taking a diurnal bask in the morning sun. Though nocturnal, they usually bask a few moments to warm up before going to sleep.
Reason
Best med house gecko quality available, shows morning basking techniques (despite being nocturnal)
Were you looking in the right place? It's not visible in the OOF lily, but (its still) quite strong in the shadow area. But I must say it shows up much more strongly on my new (Dell) monitor than my old one... I'll try do an edit later today unless you beat me to it --Fir000222:46, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm still a fair bit there - ran it through another NR pass. Though to be honest I wouldn't have picked up on it but for this new Dell which I hadn't had a chance to calibrate properly - the gamma setting was bringing out too much shadow detail (I've done some rough calibration on it now which is better and I'll probably give it a Spyder calibration in a week or two)...--Fir000211:40, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Oppose. Great quality macro as always, but the DOF/angle is unfortunate. It shows the feeding very well but not the fly's entire body. Sometimes I think a tighter aperture is needed even if it does mean that there is some diffraction and softness. Diliff | (Talk)(Contribs)14:04, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The encyclopedic value of this picture can not possibly be understated. It is one of the few images that shows all of the Big 3 together, and nearly every history textbook in existence includes some variant of it. The picture may have some technical imperfections, but it is of high resolution, and it is clear. In any case, the encyclopedic value of it is so high as to more than compensate for any minor deficiencies. There is also a color version of this image (File:Yalta summit 1945 with Churchill, Roosevelt, Stalin.jpg), but it is of much lower resolution.
Comment. I'm conflicted. The color alternative is actually a different shot, but I like it better (aside from the resolution). The interactions are much more significant in the color one, with Churchill looking and Roosevelt facing each other and turned away from Stalin, who looks off to his left. This one is still quite good, and the encyclopedic value is very high of course, but the scratches are distracting. Have you searched the Library of Congress site to see if there are lossless scans from which a restoration would be done?--ragesoss (talk) 20:04, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, the color shot is a bit more significant. As are some other versions of the shot, such as this one, but that picture doesn't appear to be PD, according to the information it comes from the Encyclopedia Britannica archives. The version displayed here is originally from the Department of Defense, and it's the only one in their archives. Obviously, it would be ideal to find a high resolution version of the color one, but I don't think such an image exists (digitally). Personally, though, I think that this shot is better than some of the more formal ones, as it's a "candid" of the three leaders. Cool3 (talk) 21:26, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Original - The Sandspit River in a cool temperate rainforest area
Reason
The forest is a key habitat of rare and threatened species and sadly is under the control of Forestry Tasmania, with logging being allowed. I'm pretty sure that the area pictured was logged around 100 years ago. There was a settlement nearby at one stage too. I still need to find a decent ref though.
Support Little motion blur (I think) in some leaves, but overall a good picture. If only it were safe to move around with equipment in TZ :( --Muhammad(talk)04:37, 5 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Oppose Pretty severe sharpness drop off at the edges (particularly at the bottom) and the HDR (?) has left the treetops with a fair bit of CA --Fir000208:28, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The foreground is about a foot away, and the background is 50-100m, so naturally you can't get everything in focus without cheating with that 17mm tilt/shift lens and a full frame camera or focus stacking. UWAs also have a habit of being a tad soft at the edges at 10mm. Its a two shot exposure blend in photoshop. I adjusted the masks and stuff to treat the bleeding a bit. Thanks to the wind a bit was unavoidable though. Noodle snacks (talk) 09:23, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Ah I see the problem - image description says it's at 20mm so I assumed you had the ability to zoom out and crop soft edges. I still would have liked the bottom focus-stacked into sharpness...
Oppose. I'm not usually a fan of these sort of vertical landscapes as they tend to look a bit peculiar (massive change in vertical AOV is usually unnecessary) and cramped (not enough width). The photo is pretty good but I can't help but think you could have got a better photo with a slightly more conventional composition taken from a metre or two back (if practical). Also, there is a strange patch of sky in the trees that doesn't match the tone of the rest of the blue sky - it's a bit lighter and greyer. Not sure if that is just the way the HDR turned out or not, but it doesn't look right. Diliff | (Talk)(Contribs)10:32, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: Though really it's a weak oppose, if I were one to do that. I don't find the composition attractive, and I can't help being put off by the blurriness of the upper foliage. I'm in agreement with Diliff that this could have been done a little more "traditionally" for a better result. Maedin\talk08:26, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Difficult shot because of size, but have to oppose on EV grounds. Position of the nymph is not the best for ID and ID itself is very coarse. Also, the picture doesn't appear very useful inthe articles. -- Alvesgaspar (talk) 08:49, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The ID was provided by one of the foremost experts in Pentatomoids who admitted that identifying nymphs was very difficult. I don't see how the position affects the id for this picture though. --Muhammad(talk)11:21, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I could rotate the picture but I found the bug upside down having just come out of its previous skeleton and thus thought this would carry more value. Preference for a rotated version? --Muhammad(talk)17:08, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Some insects which live on trees live only on the underside of branches, or in other ultra-specific niches. If this bug eats sap it may live on the underside of small branches as it uses gravity as part of its eating system. Nymphs are often not possible to allocate to the species level from a single photograph, in fact, in some insect species the only way to put the nymph in a species is to use DNA. So, are we sure this nymph doesn't live upside down? If it does, rotating the image reduces the EV to 0. --KP Botany (talk) 07:04, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Original - Membership certificate for the service organization B'nai B'rith from 1876. Depicts an orphanage, a menorah, Abraham and Isaac, Moses, domestic scenes, and other topics.
Reason
B'nai B'rith is the oldest Jewish service organization in the world. Nineteenth century membership certificate, tinted lithograph. Restored version of File:B'nai B'rith.jpg. Happy Pesach.
Oppose Colours seem over-edited and unnatural. The original image's paper was light grey, so why has the ink's colour been radically changed? I mean, there were several popular types of brown ink, so there's no reason to think brown ink is wrong. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 06:50, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support; it's a little small, but that's made up for by the fact that it's not the kind of bird you'd see in your back garden. J Milburn (talk) 12:14, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose From what I understand photographing birds on Galapagos is dead easy in many cases, so I don't think this quality level is acceptable. flickr has quite a number of superior CC-BY-SA images available. Noodle snacks (talk) 23:14, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough. I didn't say it was hard to take a photograph of the subject, it is rare to go to the Galapagos Islands though. But thank you for not holding back. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:27, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Original - Begum Liaquat Ali (first Prime Minister of Pakistan) Meets President of MIT; image shows Ali Khan, Mrs. Killian, Begum Liaquat Ali Khan, James Rhyne Killian (from left to right)
Oppose. Only Begum is framed in the photo, I don't like how it cuts off both men on either side of the group. I imagine there must be a better photo of her somewhere. Due to the lack of colour it isn't a great illustration of Gharara and is poor quality for this purpose. |→ Spaully₪† 12:58, 8 April 2009 (GMT)
Reluctant oppose a figure cut off at the shoulder might be okay with enough ev, but another cut off at the head is a bit too much to support. Would love an alternate image of this or a similar subject, if it can be found under free license. DurovaCharge!01:36, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Unless I'm missing something (which is entirely possible!), this doesn't meet the 1000 pixel minimum. Is this sufficiently historical or unique to be exempt? Not convinced. Maedin\talk20:43, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support Very cute. Your images are well framed, almost like stuffed museum poses, but it doesn't detract, because of the detail in the birds. --KP Botany (talk) 10:20, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support, nice image. One question though - is it correctly rotated? As in the images from one of the references [21] the anthers (?) are always pointed down. |→ Spaully₪† 12:45, 8 April 2009 (GMT)
Please see the image at left. The thorns that overlap the background are consistently pixely at the edges, while the thorns that overlap the stalk have smooth edges. Kaldari (talk) 19:05, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I was trying a new focus stack algorithm when I updated a bit of software, evidently it wasn't worth its salt. I did it again the old fashioned way and its fixed now. Noodle snacks (talk) 01:38, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Or not- seems there is a difference, as explained in the thorn article. An article for prickles should really be written, then. J Milburn (talk) 12:20, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I've always heard them be called prickles. As stated above prickles are technically distinct from both thorns and spines. The disambig page could easily be more detailed. Noodle snacks (talk) 12:57, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
A very high resolution scan of an A3 engraving. Plus, you know, Shakespeare =) It's a very big, detailed image, and so may not thumbnail at 250px ideally, but it has the quality and detail there.
Anyway, I think this is a great image, and I think it probably meets the desired resolution.
Let's call it The Illustrated London News: It's otherwise completely uncredited, with no artist mentioned in the description, nor any obvious signature (from past experience, I've learned that they can be surprisingly well hidden sometimes, so I'm not going to say no signature until some other people have looked).
Comment. Very nice but jesus it's big. The real thing is making my 10MB connection reminiscent of dialup and is too large to be useful to view. The .png gives this "Error creating thumbnail: Invalid thumbnail parameters or image file with more than 12.5 million pixels". I think we really need a smaller version if someone is able to make one satisfactorily.
Support - despite the size issues I like the image, it would be good in other articles also - looking to put in Theatre Royal, Drury Lane - due to its' historical illustration.
Question also- do large images such as this knacker the server in processing thumbnails? |→ Spaully₪† 21:37, 8 April 2009 (GMT)
I've implemented a couple solutions: I lowered the quality slider on the JPEG slightly, shaving off 18 meg, and also uploaded a slightly smaller alternative version (linked from the image description page). This engraving just doesn't compress very well under JPEG, but I've done what I could. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 18:41, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That makes it easier to view, and I see what you mean about compression as there is a slight difference at full zoom. This ties in with the FP size discussion on the talk page, it would be an ideal picture for there to be several size options. Thanks for the consideration. |→ Spaully₪† 14:27, 10 April 2009 (GMT)
I'd love to have an automated viewer added to all such pages for different sizes. It would make things a lot easier. As for the Drury Lane Theatre - I was eyeing that article, but the layout's a bit messy already, and I didn't want to risk making things worse or overruling the regulars by swapping images around. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 15:09, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Original - A collection of hand-painted tiles, dedicated to the victims of the September 11 attacks, on the fence of a car-lot in New York City in 2004.
Reason
This is a bit of a risky nomination for me as the wow-factor is admittedly low and it isn't an oversized panorama ;-). It isn't a large scale, visually-impressive memorial like the Tribute in Light but IMO it documents a wide variety of individuals' and communities' emotional responses to the attacks well and I think it is a photo that does it in a more personal and intimate way. While the individual tiles are undeniably non-NPOV, I don't think this is an issue as the image itself simply documents these views and doesn't attempt to push them on the viewer. I know it looks fairly soft in the thumbnail, but the detail is there at 100%. Also, FYI, this image shows the full extent of the memorial (it extends all the way around the fence), and while I think both images complement each other and are linked to each other on the image pages, I feel this nominated image has the better composition and more intimate feel.
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Support POV is not an issue here; this is an image of historical value and it offers a lot of interesting objects to look at. It's technically sound and kept me reading for a little while. Nice shot. ~ ωαdεstεr16«talkstalk»21:12, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Seems to be a copyright issue here. This photo is essentially just a photo of many copyrighted works. I don't think de minimis applies where the works are the subject of the photo. Calliopejen1 (talk) 23:20, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Really? Where is the line drawn? What is the difference between shooting a photo of a building that has a copyrighted design, and shooting a fence of copyrighted tiles? Surely fair use would apply when the photo is intended simply to document the display of the work, as opposed to copying the design exactly? Diliff | (Talk)(Contribs)23:52, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
See commons:FOP. There is an explicit exception for photographs of buildings in the United States. There is no similar exception for artworks (though there is in England and I believe Australia). Fair use means non-free, and must meet the non-free criteria and be low-res and ineligible for featured picture. Calliopejen1 (talk) 01:46, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure what that link was supposed to refer to, but it doesn't seem to exist. No wait, I found it, you meant Commons:Freedom of panorama, right? So in your opinion, this is a clear-cut case and should not be on Wikipedia/Wikimedia, except as a low-res fair use image? Would it be the case that each of the copyrighted designs on the tiles are low-res, but combine to form a collage which is not restricted to low-res? It does seem like there are a lot of ways to be legally creative, at least in my non-legally-trained mind. :-) It is frustrating, as I am sure the creators of the work intended it to be visible to as many people as possible and had no mind to restrict use or reproductions of it, but I suppose you can never tell. Diliff | (Talk)(Contribs)12:57, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I think David is right. It would be difficult to assign the copyright of the overall design to anyone, so it's valid to consider each tile separately, and they're depicted at a resolution consistent with other fair use images on WP. I think the Foundation is extremely unlikely to get sued for this, and the press would jump on any such suit, given the message of peace that the memorial seems to be intended to convey. Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 20:48, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Just to confirm my opinion, per Diliff's request: I think this is ineligible. Non-free works are (absolutely) ineligible, and this is a photo of many non-free works. The fact that the arrangement of these non-free works may not itself be eligible for copyright is immaterial. I also think this should probably be deleted, because we already have plenty of free photos of memorials in the article. (photos of piles of roses and mourners and such that don't highlight copyrighted works.) this is essentially the same as using ~50 nonfree images in the article because you've photographed so many little artworks in one frame. Calliopejen1 (talk) 13:08, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Reluctant oppose per Calliopejen. The United States has freedom of panorama only for buildings. Sorry, but this doesn't qualify for FPC. DurovaCharge!20:02, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Still Supporting Arrest me if you will, but I'm still giving my support to this image on the basis that images like this, this, this, this, and this clearly depict officially copyrighted and trademarked logos (officially meaning they actually filed something with a government for the rights to their design). Where does it say that that's legal? (That last sentence isn't meant to sound pompous, I actually want to know). ~ ωαdεstεr16♣kiss mei'm Irish♣02:58, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Good question. My guess is that the legal justification for disallowing images like this nomination while allowing others which show copyrighted logos is that the latter are incidental to the composition and not the focus of it... Then again, I'd like to think that the law has a bit more common sense and could reach the conclusion that nobody is likely enforce the copyright on this image, but I suppose they have to cover their asses on 100% of the images to make that a single one of them doesn't result in a lawsuit? :-( Diliff | (Talk)(Contribs)08:28, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
</humor> Then the image looses enc. because it isn't in a relevant article, and the subject is out of foucs and completely obscured. SpencerT♦C21:02, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support, because I think a common sense interpretation of this situation is that this is a free image with no substantial encumbrances from the individual copyrights of the tiles. The continuum of fair use is fuzzy, but lots of fair use is free enough that it doesn't trigger our non-free content policy. The subject here is the memorial itself; any particular tile is incidentally, even though the tiles as an ensemble are not. Furthermore, there is an implicit understanding by those who contributed tiles that this is a public, collective work.--ragesoss (talk) 21:27, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Striking my questionable, perhaps too biased, perhaps "having-a-really-bad-week" oppose. Choose instead to not comment on the image, :-). Maedin\talk 16:07, 31 March 2009 (UTC) Oppose: I feel that the content is inappropriate and should not be featured. I have nothing against 9/11 memorials per se, but this in particular shows a narrow, almost political pov which absolutely does not correspond with the reach of 9/11. As the article says, more than 90 countries lost citizens as a result of the attack, and spurred hate crime and war, which has embroiled much more than just the US. In light of that, I think that "featuring" so many US-only sentiments is unsupportable. Maedin\talk18:55, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Sorry, I know I've disagreed with you a couple of times lately. No disrepect intended. :-) But it clearly is a POV memorial and that is the point of the image. We don't have any obligation to ensure that the photo itself is non-POV. It almost sounds like you're falling foul to NPOV with your oposition. A FP can illustrate one aspect of a subject - it doesn't have to be a multinational memorial to have enc significance. If anything, it is a historical snapshot of jingoism too. ;-) Maybe it should be added to that article... Diliff | (Talk)(Contribs)20:33, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I realised while I opposed that my own pov was pushing in, but the crux of my oppose is not so much that the content is pov, but that it would be insensitive to feature it. I think that, when the event is a couple of decades old, this sort of image won't grate so much. And I apologise for however this comes out sounding, but I think it would be a disservice to Americans to feature their nationalism in such a context. And your disagreements are posed in a friendly way; no need to apologise, :-) Maedin\talk20:51, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
You find sentiments like "freedom", "peace" or "bless America" to be controversial and embarrassing expressions of patriotism? That says more about you than it does about the people who made these tiles. There was jingoism after 9/11, but it is not captured in this photo. Fletcher (talk) 21:55, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Obvious last bastion of freedom
For the record, I do find the whole "God Bless the USA" thing a bit irritating... As if America is the last bastion of freedom or something. The 9/11 attacks had nothing to do with American freedom, but the country felt the need to declare they were 'still free' despite the terrorist attempts to take it away somehow. Par for the course when it comes to American Patriotism though. :-) But that is a completely different topic. Other than that, I don't find the tiles particularly controversial. NPOV, sure, but nothing that would stop it being appropriate for the article or FP. Diliff | (Talk)(Contribs)22:37, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I was just going to point out that the photographer is not American, so inherent POV is minimal. But he kind of covered that with this last comment. :-) ~ ωαdεstεr16♣TC♣00:44, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Fletcher, you have misunderstood my comments and somehow have taken away the impression that I find peace and freedom controversial. That, of course, is not true, and in fact, is what the minority of those tiles depict (at least the ones in this photo). That is my issue. I merely think it too insensitive to be featured, and the fact that we have other featured content which I may also have that opinion about isn't really relevant. I probably would have opposed them, too. I never put forward an opinion thinking it should be "right", I expect people to disagree. But please, don't make it personal. Maedin\talk07:53, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
But Maedin, it isn't really our place to be sensitive or make judgments on the sensitivity of others. The whole point of an encyclopaedia is to be as objective and truthful as possible, not tip-toe around issues for the sake of how the content might offend people in some way. Wikipedia is not censored, and we have an obligation to uphold that, even if it against our personal sensibilities. Of course there is some room for opinion in this process, but really you should be voting based on our existing criteria, not your criteria. :-) And besides, even if sensitivity was a significant criteria, I think a greater number of people would likely take comfort from the content of the image (as the central tile suggests) than be upset by it. Diliff | (Talk)(Contribs)08:19, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Not many arguments there, I uphold that Wikipedia should not be censored. But that creed isn't quite the same as content that is featured. I would draw the line at a particularly gruesome picture, or a bit-too explicit sex illustration. Where they are appropriate, however, they are welcome. I agree with you, though, that my oppose is far from objective and is based on tip-toeing around an issue that I think needs a more sensitive approach. If you think I've gone much too far into this territory and my oppose bears no weight, I will strike it. Eeeep, sorry for the drama! /me hides . . . Maedin\talk08:33, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Haha no worries, but you have gone and contradicted yourself again by saying Wikipedia should not be censored, then saying you draw the line at featuring gruesome/explicit images... Nevermind, I think the greater issue with this may be the licensing anyway, so it might end up being moot. Diliff | (Talk)(Contribs)10:03, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Excuse me. Would fellow reviewers please move editorializing to a different location? My nearest relative survived this attack from a high floor. He was one of the very last people out of the building and most of his coworkers weren't as lucky. I joined the Navy and went to war because of this day. When I come to FPC, I'd rather review candidates than see this sort of off-topic debate. DurovaCharge!17:36, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'd be the first to admit we got a little off-topic but I'm not entirely sure what your relative's survival and your decision to go to war adds to the discussion either...? Diliff | (Talk)(Contribs)21:51, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I'm just going to nominate this photo for deletion bc I believe it fails NFCC8 and NFCC1. This may end this nomination, so interested parties should comment at IFD. Calliopejen1 (talk) 22:34, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
As was discussed (in this nom, and others), I don't think it does fail that. If a subject has an inherent bias, we cannot counter that. We can only ensure that a balanced viewpoint is achieved in the article. A single image (which by definition cannot encapsulate the content an entire article) should not be subject to the same requirements as an article for that very reason. Anyway, it doesn't really matter as the image is due for deletion. Diliff | (Talk)(Contribs)10:39, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - this is important to have in Wikipedia, that doesn't make it Feature worthy. It is just not compelling enough on its own. If you need a story to understand an image, it's not fulfilling its role as an image. The Talking Socktalkcontribs22:57, 16 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose - Background is distracting, would look better with a shallower DOF, IMO. Also copyright issues seem to be unresolved (unresolvable?).Kaldari(talk) 16:15, 18 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
How should we go about this, then? The majority of the opposition was based on the assumption that it was non-free, but striking them out seems a bit drastic... Diliff | (Talk)(Contribs)11:10, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Let's see what happens. Relisting should give the opposers an opportunity to update their reviews, but if they don't they won't be considered. MER-C12:30, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. It's not valid to call photographs of other people's artwork completely your own work. I would support deletion of the image, but I do not think it is feature worthy for that reason. Further, I don't consider it particularly striking. J Milburn (talk) 16:25, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not claiming the artwork as my own work. I'm only claiming that I took the photo of the collage, which is completely different. It's pretty clear this is a collaboration and not something I created myself. I'd have been more than happy to give credit to the individuals who created the tiles, but there were no credits on the fence. You seem to be taking a moral line of reasoning rather than a legal one when you say you'd support deletion of it (you missed the boat there, anyway). If you were to take a moral standpoint on photographing works of art, then does that mean you'd like to see all our photos of artwork deleted too? I have certainly don't intend to break the law in taking documenting the world around us, but this isn't about crediting me - it's about showcasing important objects/scenes on the encyclopaedia... Deleting the image won't help us out there at all. But okay, if you don't find it striking... Diliff | (Talk)(Contribs)17:01, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry, that was actually a typing error. I meant I wouldn't. Basically, from a legal standpoint, I'm sure we're alright (hence not deleting) but, from a philosophical standpoint, I don't think this is a reflection of our best work in terms of freedom. No offence was meant- it's an excellent documentary photograph, but I don't think it's really FP material. J Milburn (talk) 11:41, 5 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose my old rationale still stands, but I don't fully agree with it any more. I'll posit this new one: this is an important image to have on Wikipedia. It holds personal significance to many people. The problem is that it doesn't hold that significance for a lot of people. We could find a photo like this for every disaster occurring in the US. It is a very ordinary photo. PS, why was it re-nominated? thank you to ωαdεstεr16«talkstalk» for letting me know i needed to vote again. ~ The Talking Socktalkcontribs13:13, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It was renominated because the main reasons for opposition at the time were related to the licensing. This issue was resolved after the nomination had expired, so the nomination was re-started. I don't think it matters that it doesn't represent or hold significance a lot of people. Wikipedia isn't here to please everyone. I mean, do all of our FPs hold significance for most people? Probably not. Not everyone is particularly interested in birds, insects, or architecture for example. That doesn't mean we shouldn't feature pictures of them if they illustrate an article well. Diliff | (Talk)(Contribs)13:44, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, as before. Even if Commons didn't remove it as a copyvio, it still is one. It also retains systemic bias issues. Stifle (talk) 21:17, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It being a copyvio is only your opinion but it seems a pretty poor reason to oppose given it has already been discussed and resolved. The licensing/legal aspect is completely separate to this nomination. If you still have a problem with it, you should re-raise it on Commons. Also, it doesn't have systematic bias issues any more than the majority of our FPs are by virtue of the contributors being from western countries.. This was covered above. It documents an interesting and historic scene. If the scene is biased, so be it. Many scenes are. The solution to systematic bias is to encourage alternative POVs, not to reject the 'mainstream' POV. Diliff | (Talk)(Contribs)21:42, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Isn't this a touch too bright and saturated, maybe? Seems a little much for 1916, before some of the modern dyes. Also, need the crop be that tight on the right? It's removing details of the second waterbaby. if you must crop - a reasonable choice for the Wikipedia-version - I'd suggest favouring cropping on the left, and upload an uncropped version - most people will be happy if something exists with an alternate compromise to the problems, even if the crop is better for Wikipedia, which it might well be. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 21:47, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think it's too saturated. I've seen some well-preserved older painting that look about as bright as this. As for the crop, I believe it's fine. All that's missing on the right side is a bit of space before the baby's head. ErikTheBikeMan (talk) 01:27, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Question Where's the EV on this one? We already have an FP for Water Babies. Is this picture somehow more illustrative of the book than the other one? Does it show something unique that I'm missing? Makeemlighter (talk) 06:30, 18 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It shows another illustration of the book. The book is over a three hundred pages long, so I don't see the problem with having two pictures, which illustrate different parts of the book, featured. ErikTheBikeMan (talk) 20:47, 18 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral I'm just not sure about the EV here. I'm not saying it doesn't have any; I just don't know how much it has and if that's enough to feature it. Makeemlighter (talk) 07:21, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support, high technical quality and a great composition, but I'm not convinced of the encyclopedic value. The chap could be doing lots of things- it's not particularly obvious he's heckling. It's a hard subject to illustrate- this is probably about as good as it is going to get. J Milburn (talk) 20:12, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The bibliographic notes state that he is heckling. Since that is fundamentally a verbal activity, the still shot of a man leaning across a police line with an extended arm, open mouth, and angry expression while protesters behind him hold a placard is probably the most visually representative depiction we could get in a single frame. DurovaCharge!20:55, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support. A fine picture that illustrates heckling well. If you're going to heckle, it's usually at an official event or public meeting, so this is fine. Mostlyharmless (talk) 22:53, 15 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Support Dude looks like trouble. Unfortunate the "Go back to your land" (?) sign is cut off... would it help to crop that guy out altogether? Fletcher (talk) 23:03, 20 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Question Before this closes, will someone please explain how this picture satisfies FP criterion 5? Since heckling is, as the nominator herself states, "fundamentally a verbal activity," how can this picture possibly have the exceptional EV that we demand of featured pictures? Thanks. Makeemlighter (talk) 00:14, 21 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that this has little to no EV for heckling. The opening line from Heckling: "A heckler is a person who shouts a disparaging comment at a performance or event, or interrupting set-piece speeches, for example at a political meeting." This looks like one protester shouting abuse at an opposing group of protesters. This is taking a very loose, and quite inaccurate IMO, definition of the term which is unsupported by the article. I haven't looked at its use in the other article. --jjron (talk) 14:04, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The bibliographic notes at the Library of Congress specifically state that he is heckling. The photographer was an experienced photojournalist for a major news source, and qualifies as an expert speaking within his expertise in distinguishing heckling from other forms of antisocial behavior at public events (recordkeeping documents are the responsibility of the photographer). So unless there is a reliable source to challenge what we already have, this line of questioning strays toward original research. DurovaCharge!16:03, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I don't really care what the notes say. If a photo of a frog is labelled as a cow, that doesn't give it EV for the cow article, it just means it's wrong. --jjron (talk) 06:14, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose while it illustrates the heckling article. If it finds a more appropriate home, I don't know, protestor or something, you can strike my 'vote'. --jjron (talk) 06:14, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Further comment. I've thought a bit more about this. A number of voters - dare I say almost all - claim this is as good a photo of heckling as you could get, or that it's something a still image couldn't really illustrate at all or any better. Even disregarding the discussion just above about whether or not this guy is really a heckler, I still disagree with this point of view. IMO, a high EV shot of heckling would show both the heckler and the person being heckled. This is both quite possible and realistic to expect, but obviously this particular image doesn't do so, which is why I don't think it is a good illustration of heckling. Other thoughts on this? --jjron (talk) 07:18, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as far as it is for Heckling. I agree with Jjron that an image will never particularly well illustrate this, and that in this case it is not clear that he is heckling rather than just shouting abuse - my opinion of heckling is that the abuse or comment is when another person is making a speech, not illustrated here. For example, someone in a crowd at a stand-up comedy with both comedian and heckler in view would better illustrate this. |→ Spaully₪† 11:17, 7 April 2009 (GMT)
Comment. There seems to be something of a color shift from the bottom to the top of the photograph. This makes it look a bit unrealistic. Any thoughts on this? Kaldari (talk) 20:49, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, well since the color isn't real anyway it seems like it would hardly be a sin to correct it further. What do you think? Kaldari (talk) 22:05, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I've uploaded an edited version to give an example. I basically just removed the blue tint from the upper buildings and warmed the yellow tint of the lower buildings. I think I lost some of the green on the plants in the process though. Thoughts? Kaldari (talk) 22:41, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support Excellent composition of a part of the world featured on here. However I do have some concerns about the color and hue of the image. I know its artificial but I do agree with Kaldari on it making it looks more like a model and than a realistic shot. Dr. BlofeldWhite cat15:47, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Not enough full supports in an extended period of time. The caveats proposed by one user do have weight and the fact that this user's !vote was note full does not allow me to promote the image. Not promoted ~ ωαdεstεr16«talkstalk»15:55, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Original - Japanese sampan-type river boat. Painted photograph from Japan, dating from before 1886, according to a written note on the album containing the photographs. Presumed Author of the original photographs: Adolfo Farsari.
Support as nominator. Unique and beautiful. What was thought to be a scribbled "A" at bottom is actually a stick sticking out of the water. Color constitution may not be perfect, but regarding being 125 years old, it's surprisingly good quality. Mikael Häggström (talk) 16:33, 17 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Just an update: I may be a little bit longer getting to this. Lot of things going on, and the things I normally work with use slightly different skillsets to photos, so it's going to be a little slow once I do start. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 17:32, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
For my part, I think it can just as well be placed in "nominations older than 7 days", since there is (yet) no change in the picture since the beginning of this nomination. Mikael Häggström (talk) 05:21, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Fug. Just close it or unsuspend it. It's in my to do list, and will get done when it gets done. I hate working with photos, so it's very for me to procrastinate on them. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 10:26, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Suspended for another user to restore the image. Has yet to be done after good length of time. Now requests closure until said work can be completed, at which point a new nomination will take place ~ ωαdεstεr16«talkstalk»15:59, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Over 3600 homes were destroyed in Galveston, Texas during the 1900 Galveston hurricane. Approximately 8000 people died from the storm, making it the deadliest storm ever to strike the United States. Striking photograph of the damage. Restored version of File:A big tip in Galveston.jpg.
That looks great! I presume you've played with sharpening the face and tweaking it - if not, you might want to try that a little more and see if you get any improvements, but it looks quite good to me already. Although the original is not Matthew Brady quality, it's still quite good for the age, and the encyclopedic value cannot be doubted. Change to Full Support. =) Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 03:43, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment There's a blob on the corner of his mouth that almost certainly cannot be from the original shot. Otherwise, it looks quite good. If you can fix that, I'll support. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 10:05, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Sorry, it's nice, but Christy Mathewson was a baseball player. He'd need to be on the field or at least in uniform for this to have enough EV. Makeemlighter (talk) 01:58, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree that he has to be in uniform. To comply with that sort of restriction, singers should only be performing or in the studio and actors should only be in character and surgeons should only be in white coats with bloody gloves. Christy was also a soldier, and a bit of a "celebrity" in his time. Maedin\talk16:40, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support: Although the blur on his nose is very distracting, I think this is excellent. Good quality and striking portrait. As a side note, when I was an adolescent, my dad had a book of old "baseball greats" and I remember this picture printed next to Christy's biography. He was the player I "liked most"—I thought he was so cute! Maedin\talk16:49, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'll give you that it's not a very high-contrast image, but I'm not in favour of adjusting the levels that drastically: you're blowing out the white in the necktie. -- Michel Vuijlsteke (talk) 17:24, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I've adjusted the levels in the original (but not so much on the hanky around his neck). OK for you? I'd rather do it like this, starting from the original lossless version, than work from a second-generation jpeg. -- Michel Vuijlsteke (talk) 23:08, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support Good encyclopaediac picture which certainly draws attention to its subject and makes you want to investigate further. Just one query-in the caption it says he was 'scalped as a child' and in the articles the caption for the picture reads he was 'scalped as a teenager'.Is there a reason for the difference? Lemon martini (talk) 10:53, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The "teenager" caption was there before I replaced the image with a restored version. I changed it to "child": there is no mention at all of McGee being anything other than that. -- Michel Vuijlsteke (talk) 12:16, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I was thinking the same thing. You can't really tell what is left there. Is it skin? Is it exposed skull? I mean obviously it would have to be skin, but you can't prove it from the photo. ~ ωαdεstεr16«talkstalk»15:46, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Original - The Tower of Belém, in Lisbon, was built in the sixteenth century, under king Manuel I, to commemorate the voyage of Vasco da Gama to India. Its style, known as Manueline, is a late gothic of Portuguese origin incorporating ornamental elements from the discovery ships and voyages.
Reason
detailed and high quality panorama of a well-known monument. The best vailable, I believe.
Info - That is the joy of doing panoramas with moving subjects: it is the same guy in two different positions (with the head cloned, you are right). Maybe be it could be removed by cloning but I didn't find it necessary and the quality of the result is uncertain. -- Alvesgaspar (talk) 13:36, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Just a tip for this sort of photography... If you take panoramas with enough overlap, one of the frames will likely be empty of a person, so if stitch the panorama with layers, you can simply remove the person from that layer, revealing the background behind him. I sometimes use this technique if there is duplication of people. However, if you wait too long between frames or you don't provide enough overlap, this will not be possible. In this panorama though, it definitely isn't the same person twice. He has different clothes/shoes in the second instance (and is carrying a bag, I think). Only his head and collar is cloned. Bizarre. :-) I think that it would be worth trying to re-stitch to fix it, but I won't oppose on that basis. Diliff | (Talk)(Contribs)13:54, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
This is all new for me. I just knew from you that the stitch could be adjusted by manipulating the layers, and that is what I'm trying to learn now. But it will take some time. I don't even know how to work with Gimp ... or layers. Thanks for the hint. -- Alvesgaspar (talk) 22:56, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I do not know much about photography, but it was exactly Diliffs last point that bugged me. But it is only a small detail, so I won't stand in the way on this one. Katalysator (talk) 14:52, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
You're certainly within your rights to oppose though, as accuracy is paramount for any image on Wikipedia, but especially FPs. That person is secondary to the actual subject though, which is why I let it be. But if it can be fixed, it really should be fixed. Diliff | (Talk)(Contribs)16:39, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Question What is the story with the variation in colour across the building? Seems to me that the camera was left on auto white balance and it wasn't corrected prior to stitching. Noodle snacks (talk) 09:28, 17 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Are you referring to the warm cast on the bottom left and cooler cast on the top right? I didn't notice this until you mentioned it. It is fairly subtle, but worth questioning. Diliff | (Talk)(Contribs)09:35, 17 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Very nice picture. Therefore I've nominated it at german FPC. But there seem to be some retouching work that is very curious. What is the reason for this manipulation? Wladyslaw (talk) 12:38, 17 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Withdraw the nomination and promise to come back with a re-stitched version, as soon as possible. Yes, besides the problem of the identical twins, there seems to be some temperature differences across the pano. Hope it can all be fixed. -- Alvesgaspar (talk) 12:56, 17 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
High resolution, high quality encyclopedic portrait of an influential politician, Andrew Gregg Curtin. Not the most straightforward of restorations either. Low-resolution courtesy copy available.
Original - "The modern Circe or a sequel to the petticoat", caricature of Mary Anne Clarke by Isaac Cruikshank, 1809. Her lover Frederick, Duke of York resigned from his position as Commander-in-Chief of the British Army ten days after the caricature's publication.
Reason
Mary Anne Clarke was mistress to Prince Frederick, Duke of York and Albany, who was second son to George III of the United Kingdom. She liked the good life and the expense of pleasing her was a bit pricey even for the son of a king, which led to sales of army commissions and other corruption that caused a scandal in 1809 and resulted in his resignation from his position as Commander-in-Chief of the British Army. Tsk, tsk. They didn't have supermarket tabloids yet, but this captures a similar spirit. Restored version of File:Mary Anne Clarke.jpg.
Then how about put it in the Cochineal section of Opuntia. I'm no good at formatting images in articles. Thx. After which I support purely for its EV. Not the greatest picture, but it tells a huge story we're not telling here otherwise. --KP Botany (talk) 20:03, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think there's any doubt Handel is an important composer, nor that this is a very good painting of him.
Articles this image appears in
Used in Template:Handel, and thus the lead image for pretty much all Handel-related works, which is maybe 70 articles. (The list on the image page may take a little time to populate, as the template formerly used a lower-res copy of the same image, which I just switched over)
Creator
Balthasar Denner
Support as nominator By the way, I hope you'll forgive me if I suggest a couple works collected, prepared, or created by others today - we have a lot of fantastic work that is as yet uncelebrated, and a lot of important subjects with a strong candidate for an FP that just need nominated. --Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 05:34, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: The face looks very cracked- is that not something that would normally be fixed in a restoration, or does that "cross the line" with regards to changing the original image? J Milburn (talk) 12:08, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'd say that does cross the line, and further, I'm not even sure that it'd be possible to fix the crazing with good effect at this resolution since brush strokes and changing paint colours are really quite subtle, so you need a lot more pixels to work with to get it right. I also suspect that it wouldn't work very well even then, and would change too many things with clear artistic intent. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 12:29, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support, though that broken bit of twig is a little unfortunately positioned, it would have been cleaner without that, but not enough to oppose. --jjron (talk) 09:18, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Gustave Doré is pretty much universally considered one of the masters of engraving. So I thought I'd try to do at least some of his Easter-related engravings this weekend. I'm afraid I may end up with several noms, but they'll all be seasonally appropriate. =) ...Until Monday. Oh, well. Better to do it now than to not do it at all.
Regretful oppose CommentI hate to oppose such "WOW!" imageI changed to a comment (I don't want to oppose an image for something that may not be true). The fact that the nominator claims it is naturally bright leaves me doubts. As an image editor myself, I can tell if the image is over saturated or not. I may be wrong, but the color in this image seems exaggerated when looking very close at the detail in full size. Speaking of size, this image is way too large. It took me approximately 1:55 min. to fully display the image at full size. The blown highlights at the end of the abdomen hurt too. I'm not a big fan of this composition either, but I don't want to get into that with mantis pics. Perhaps you can prove me wrong and find sources that show the same color factor. I may support if so for its wow factor. By the way, I added it into two more articles. ZooFari01:16, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It is not visible on Wikipedia. But many of my images are used elsewhere without the respect of licenses, it is a discreet way to keep track of my images outside of Wikipedia. --Luc Viatour (talk) 06:46, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The image does seem to be a bit over-saturated, but that said, the consensus is definitely in favor of the image. And while the size is a bit large, we are only limited here by the WP and Commons limitations of 100MB. Promoted File:Miomantis_paykullii_Luc_Viatour.jpg ~ ωαdεstεr16«talkstalk»17:24, 17 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Um, isn't it a condition of entry that photographs taken in these theme parks are to be used for non-commercial purposes only? (I know HK Disneyland imposes this restriction, I see no reason why this shouldn't be different). Nominated for deletion. MER-C04:28, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It's an adhesion contract, which you'll find on the back of the ticket or a noticeboard near the entrance (in other words, you're not likely to notice it if you aren't looking for it). Example: [24]. A public domain work can be used for commercial purposes, so it's not allowed. What else would you expect from the mafiaa? MER-C11:20, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The photographer broke their contract with the theme park, but that does not in any way affect the licensing or legal status of the image. Kaldari (talk) 17:05, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
A little seasonal reference. This is an image of a lilium longiflorum, also known as an Easter lily. It's a crisp, high rez image of the trumpet-shaped white flower. I took many photos, but decided that this composition was best to show the petals, stamina, and the long trumpet shape.
Oppose. Technically, it's fine. It's sharp and the DOF is tolerable, but I find that 'looking down at' angle makes it seem a bit throwaway snapshotty. That might come across as photographer-snobbery, so I apologise if that's how it sounds, as it is isn't my intention! Getting down at the level of the subject generally helps the composition, though. Also, I think that while a straight-on angle might not show all the features as well as from the side, I this one is too side on which exacerbates the DOF limitations. This one is probably more of a VPC IMO. The bar has been set fairly high for flower macros. Diliff | (Talk)(Contribs)19:38, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, I saw these at Walmart today and it appears that it is normally tilted like that. I'd still like to see a brighter image for my full support. ZooFari01:53, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The background is distracting, stand further away and zoom in more. It is underexposed. The lighting is fairly harsh and uneven, the shutter speed suggests sunlight. I'd shade the flower to get a more even light and consequently allow a brighter exposure since the specular highlights would be gone. I'd also suggest taking the photograph from a lower angle per Diliff. There is also some mild, treatable CA in places. Noodle snacks (talk) 02:59, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, but how is the background distracting? You have to see the plant in its natural environment in order to retain the encyclopedic value. –Juliancolton | Talk03:07, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Given that the background is out of focus anyway, it would look a lot better if it was far more blurred, drawing attention to the lily. Furthermore, the background is fairly obviously grass, and as such probably not representative of the flower's true natural environment on the Ryukyu Islands. Compare it to the background of File:Milk thistle flowerhead.jpg for example. Incidentally, if ωαdεstεr16 followed Diliff's suggestion, the background would also be far more blurred. Noodle snacks (talk) 03:28, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Sorry but compared with NS images this is just a snapshot. DOF, background and lighting are all below standards - which are very high for such easily repeatable subjects --Fir000212:16, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Undeniable EV, more than enough detail. Too big, if anything. I re-saved it with Photoshop level 10 compression and reduced it from 23mb to 7mb without any noticeable loss of image quality. I saw you had set it to 12 - the absolute highest - which is a bit unnecessary. I'd recommend you re-upload it with a smaller file size, but that's up to you. Other than that, very nice image. Diliff | (Talk)(Contribs)17:26, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support per above. Perhaps a slight quibble on the top of Mt Wellington being veiled in cloud, though on the other hand that also demonstrates an interesting feature... --jjron (talk) 12:54, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Original - Charles Pomeroy Stone with his daughter Hettienot for voting - (part of) unrestored original
Reason
Unique picture of Charles Pomeroy Stone (1824–1887) with his daughter Hettie. Stone taught geography, history and ethics at West Point, then fought in the Mexican War, left the army because he felt it didn't pay enough to support his family, became a banker in San Francisco, then surveyed Sonora where he briefly was the acting consul, moved to Washington D.C., was reputedly the first volunteer officer in the Union Army, was Abraham Lincoln's security chief at his inauguration, lost a thousand men to the Confederates at Ball's Bluff, was disgraced and imprisoned (but never convicted), subsequently cleared, went back briefly to the Army of the Potomac, after the war worked for a mining company in Virginia, then went to Egypt where he was --for thirteen years-- the chief of staff for Ismail the Magnificent and his successor; then came back to the States and was engineer for the Florida Ship Canal Company. And then he was the Chief Engineer for the construction of the Statue of Liberty's pedestal and concrete foundation. Imagine the stories Hettie could tell.
Original - Jules Massenet's Le Cid, Act 2, Scene 3, from L'Illustration's coverage of the opera's première. The climactic event of the early opera: Rodrigue's father has obliged his son to defend his honour, but Rodrigue only afterwards learns that the person he has to duel is his beloved Chimène's father, the Comte de Gormas. He is honour-bound to go through with it, and wins the duel, but Chimène now both loves and hates him, and this internal conflict powers the drama of the rest of the opera.
Reason
I love Le Cid. It's a fantastic opera, combining a strong plot with wonderful music.
So... when I saw a chance to get a copy of the 5 Décembre 1885 copy of L'Illustration - the edition that covered the première - I snapped it up. This is the second of four illustrations printed therein - expect the rest to follow. The 19th century had some spectacular set design, and this image shows it off wonderfully. The original scan contains two images, so, if you'll pardon me, I'll upload it with the second, as Commons has been a little awkward for me of late.
Support per nom. Suggest uploading a lower resolution courtesy copy for people who have slow connections. In some parts of the world it could take half an hour to see the current version. Quite good, though. DurovaCharge!17:07, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support - a.) we need more operatic featured pictures, so I approve; b.) this is of fine quality; and c.) I'm a sucker for Massenet generally, and Le Cid especially (not to brag, but I saw Domingo in the part in Washington some years back, and it remains one of the highlights of my local opera-going experience). Glad to see there are other Massenet fans out there. --User:AlbertHerringIo son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!18:09, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Cornelius Vanderbilt was the patriarch of the Vanderbilt family. There are a couple of engravings and paintings of him floating around on Wikipedia/Commons, but this is a relatively high-quality, relatively high-resolution photographic image. The original was a daguerrotype by Mathew Brady (or at least his studio), somewhere between 150 and 165 years old. This restoration has some scratches removed, global and local histogram changes for contrast, and is cropped.
Comment I think I prefer the original colour balance - it seems more appropriate to a dusty battlefield, whereas the adjusted one seems a bit cartoony and a lot less subtle. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 01:03, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'd keep going. It just seems to have lost something with the current colour balance: the original seems to have the left half of the image seen through smoke, but yours has the left half restored to full contrast. The lower right, which was much brighter in the original, thus becomes rather lurid. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 17:05, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oh. I see. I though it was a fading issue to the left and to the right of the print, but it may indeed have been intentional smokiness. I have no strong feelings either way; put up an alternative version. -- Michel Vuijlsteke (talk) 19:29, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Another holiday restoration: the Easter Monday article had no lead image. One of the highest profile Easter Monday events is the annual Easter egg roll at the White House lawn, which has been a staple of holiday news coverage in the United States for over a century. A good photographic representation of how children enjoy the holiday. What I like is its candor and timelessness: the White House is visible enough, but it takes a moment to notice the adult women in the background and realize how old this is. Restored version of File:Easter egg roll boys.jpg.
Oppose Shouldn't the picture show eggs being rolled, like this, this or this? Except for the White House in the background, two boys eating a snack on the White House lawn doesn't have much EV to me. SpencerT♦Nominate!19:45, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
If it were used at the Easter egg roll article that would be a higher priority. This is used at the article about the holiday; the holiday event at this location is more a social festivity than a competition. DurovaCharge!20:34, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. The ship's interesting, but to me you see far too little of it in this photo. And there's not enough else there to compensate - the composition is average, the lighting is pretty bad, and we get a lineup of fifteen unidentified officers (partially obscured) in lieu of a good view of the ship. Sorry, doesn't make it for mine. --jjron (talk) 14:25, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support I agree with Jjon that the image lacks 'wow' factor, but it has bucketloads of EV and meets the other criteria. The cannon placed on the deck of the ship for the purposes of the photo (it would have been certain death to use it in combat and it would have gotten swept off the ship in any kind of seas) is fascinating - do you know why it's there? Nick-D (talk) 10:15, 17 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunate oppose. Unfortunate because we could do with some FPs from this part of the world, but there's a bit too much about this that doesn't quite make it IMO. Overexposed to blown sky, perspective distortions and the entire bottom corner of the field being cutoff - I may be willing to overlook some issues, but that's a bit too much. It's understandable that parts of the stand would be lost, but for a view like this you really want the whole playing field at least. On a more general point, even though you're too far away to really see much action, I kind of feel I would rather have it taken during the game rather than as what looks to be just the first team (though admittedly the home team) runs onto the field. --jjron (talk) 14:17, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Jjron. This is a bad choice for a panorama. The image also features people that should be blurred off to prevent problematic complains. ZooFari00:49, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Original - The earthstar fungus Geastrum saccatum.
Reason
Clearly shows all the important details of a bizarre-looking earthstar fungus, eg. the central pore surrounded by the circular "mouth", recurved rays (can even see the thickness of the rays); plus, the surrounding vegetation helps to give a size perspective. FP on French wikipedia.
Original - This statue of David is probably the most famous work of art by the hand of Michelangelo. The original is located in the Galleria dell'Accademia in Florence, Italy. This copy of the statue stands on its original site (Piazza della Signoria). This vertical panorama attemps to give a detailed depiction of the statue, which has been recently cleaned.
I don't want to be defensive but....this still is Wikipedia, an encyclopedia. The walls of the Palazzo Vecchio should be the background of this picture and the only way to get a frontal shot of the statue is by including the building in the background. You shouldn't twist and bent reality, just to get a prettier picture. I could easily make the background black, but that isn't real. As fore the shadow. It isn't overtly distraction and doesn't obscure details. A collage of the friezes of the Albert Memorial by Diliff just got promoted (nice picture btw) and two of those friezes are also in the shade. Despite this it still got promoted. I more and more get the feeling that there is a huge bias on Wikipedia FPC towards some photographers. If a image belongs to Diliff or Noodle Snacks (both great photographers btw!) for example, they instantly get promoted. I've seen enough great encyclopedic images over the time by other photographers, which got rejected by the most ridiculous of reasons. --Massimo Catarinella (talk) 15:53, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The remark wasn't specifically about this picture or me for that matter, but it is just a feeling I get at FPC lately. I meant no disrespect toward anyones opinion and I made the remark to get people to think. --Massimo Catarinella (talk) 22:33, 17 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: as can be seen here, at approximately midday (judged by the high sun almost directly South), the statue is mostly in shade. Could another photo not be taken at a different time of day, or on a day with less direct sunlight, to get the necessary lighting effect? —Vanderdecken∴ ∫ξφ10:20, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. First, this is a photo of a copy of the statue, not a photo of the famous statue itself, so EV is lacking. Second, the lighting makes it look like this is an illustration of the wall behind the statue, rather than of the statue itself. Spikebrennan (talk) 18:37, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose the background should have the dim lighting with the subject well lit. A much smaller DOF would also be preferable. Highly reproducible shots like this should be better technically. Cacophony (talk) 01:25, 18 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: As this is a copy of the statue, in the original location, my view on this is that it should be showing the location itself . . . the square, the nearby buildings, etc. I would happily support a quality photograph which didn't necessarily have the focus on the statue but on its surroundings. Otherwise, I'm afraid, this is just a picture of the copy, and photographs of the original are not yet impossible to obtain. Maedin\talk18:21, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
A major enlightenment literary and historical figure deserves a featured picture. This Victorian steel engraving is stunningly detailed - would you believe the original is no bigger than an index card? - and serves as an attractive introduction to her. Would you believe I found this book in the bargain bin at a charity shop for £2?
Question: There are several unfortunate brown spots at the upper left of the engraving, like a spill from coffee or similar. Can anything be done about that? Maedin\talk18:13, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I did poke at them a bit, but completely removing them would involve patching in pattern from elsewhere, which seemed less than ideal over larger areas. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 18:43, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Noise or sand? It is hard to tell whether the image has noise due to the usual roughness of this species. It shows some in certain areas, but it doesn't seem like a big deal at full size. ZooFari03:30, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Rewritten caption - Human hands are the two prehensile body parts, each with four fingers and one thumb, located at the far end of each arm. They are used for a wide range of tasks from the roughest motor skills (wielding a club) to the finest (threading a needle). Many tasks require learned hand-eye coordination where movement is controlled by the brain which receives visual information from the eyes, tactile sensation from nerve endings in the skin including the fingertips, and joint position sense from nerves around joints. Note that arteries and nerves have not been drawn in across the middle of the hand and palm to show the deeper layers.
Support assuming nobody finds anything glaringly wrong about the diagram. Certainly of good quality and fairly easy to understand. Caption is a big unwieldly though. Diliff | (Talk)(Contribs)08:03, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Support - pending resolution of spike's concerns and confirmation of accuracy, this is an incredible image - a brilliant use of SVG and one of the finest diagrams on Wikipedia. —Vanderdecken∴ ∫ξφ16:44, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comments this is an outstanding image, but I have some concerns:
Why is the fascia that overlies the adductor pollicis so opaque? It obscures the fact that the underlying structure, a muscle, is like the other muscles, and that its fibers are almost perpendicular to the others (hence its functional importance for our opposable thumb).
Linked to my previous comment - the path of the probe, which is supposedly deep to the adductor pollicis muscle, is unclear - is that probe more than a distraction?
Shouldn't "anular" be "annular"?
Is this an opportunity to indicate the stuctures passing through the carpal tunnel?
Oppose. Overly medical diagram of limited use to most Wikipedia users. This is basically showing a dissection, complete with a probe, when we would be better served by a more common usage illustration of the hand (who below university level medical students would be using 90% of this terminology?). The general description in the caption doesn't gel with the medical terminology included on the diagram itself. Also completely lacking in sources, which I thought we had agreed was required for diagrams due to concerns about WP:OR. While the diagram itself seems well enough done, I don't think it's serving the target audience well. --jjron (talk) 06:47, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: It think the author is potentially a talented illustrator, but I think that the hand image is little use to an anatomist and might confuse a general reader. I do not know why the radial artery is not labelled. I think that too many of the connecting nerves and arteries have been cut out; see File:Gray817.png. I do not know why the anastomosis between the radial artery and the ulnar artery is not shown, which is one of the most important things that needs to be shown here; see File:Gray815.png. The insertion of flexor digitonum superficialis tendon does not show its mechanical arrangement, which is another one of the key features that needs to be shown. I think the common flexor sheath extends further down the hand than illustrated; see File:Gray423.png. Just to show it is there, I might have put in the radial nerve as it innervates the web between the thumb and index finger and also parts of the back of the hand and wrist (with some variability). I think that is would be better to do separate diagrams of the arteries, nerves, muscles with tendons and bones. The diagram should say that it is the anterior aspect (palm up) of a right hand, and I think that all of the structures passing through the carpel tunnel need labelling. I think that the omissions make this image potentially misleading, and, in my opinion, should definitely not be a featured image. I think the caption needs rewriting too. Snowman (talk) 10:32, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I don't agree with the strongly negative tone of this comment, for the following reasons: it's a judgment call regarding the balance between satisfying an audience that sits somewhere between but far from the extremes of anatomist versus completely uneducated reader (I'll admit that I'm closer to the former than the latter); this is a deep dissection, and one simply has to make choices about the structures retained (e.g. loss of the palmar arterial arcades); Gray's 1901 edition is not a gold standard against which to measure other illustrations - it's useful and available, but has its limits; I agree with the suggestions regarding labeling and the caption. Separate illustrations of types of structures would be useful, but this sort of combined image helps integrate concepts, too. --Scray (talk) 12:16, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I think the omission of the anastomosis in itself would fail this in becoming a featured image with the current caption. It might be better, if all the smaller nerves and arteries were removed and it became an illustration of the muscles, tendons, and tendon sheaths. It would be more understandable, if the caption was helpful and said that important sections of arteries and nerves have been removed. Please list any faults that you have found on the Gray's illustrations that I have linked. Snowman (talk) 13:56, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Several comments have been on about the caption, so I have rewritten it and I am sure that it could be improved further. I would pass the image as a featured image with a suitable caption which says that arteries and nerves have been "cut away", which I think the new modified caption does. Snowman (talk) 15:15, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Firstly, I am amazed at the detail and skill of this SVG, really well done. Secondly I notice that the numbered version is featured on commons (added on right). This potentially could be a more useful image for article space where the text on the text version is likely to be too small unless viewed in full, this would also allow a better caption and variable labelling perhaps with links and medical and lay terms where appropriate.
This would be a strong support if some clear indication is made of it being palm up; I would prefer the radial artery to also be labelled and perhaps the anastomosis to be present but appreciate this is a great image without this. |→ Spaully₪† 14:14, 31 March 2009 (GMT)
Good day. I have been reading all your comments, and I am ready to correct these errors. I have problems to identify radial artery. I am not a doctor and my source, Dr. Who has decided to help is not anonymous. Thank's --Libertad0 ॐ (talk) 18:21, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, 18 points to the ulnar artery. The radial artery is the red one on the other side of the wrist about the same diameter. There is only a small bit visible before it is cut off. Next to the radial artery are two tendons and in the middle of the wrist there is the median nerve, the large yellow one, which could be labelled median nerve. There are two more tendons to the right and another red tube the ulnar artery, also worth labelling. Snowman (talk) 20:19, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
A minor point (and it may be variable) but it is the ulnar artery - with an 'r'. It would be good to label the median nerve as you say. |→ Spaully₪† 21:22, 31 March 2009 (GMT)
Support. Excellent vector image. Even if I don't feel like rehearsing hand anatomy at this point, it is still a pleasure just to look at the composition. Mikael Häggström (talk) 06:43, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Original - 3-4mm long Homoneura sp. flies of the family Lauxaniidae. The top one is the male. Pictured in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania.Edit 1 Colors adjustedEdit 2 Colors adjusted again per jjron's commnets
Reason
Good quality, DOF and EV. Almost an FP at commons as well, where it raised some pretty hilarious ethical issues
Comment Given the size I'd probably consider supporting per Shoemaker. However I am a little concerned about the white balance, which seems to have a very yellow tint to it. What is the story there? Noodle snacks (talk) 08:57, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
New edit looks a bit cold to me, though that's just a gut feeling - could be just because of its juxtaposition to the original. Is there somewhere in between you can go? --jjron (talk) 18:41, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The original image had good DOF but a small part of the legs was OOF and since I had another version with the legs slightly sharper, I cloned them over. --Muhammad(talk)17:21, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. That thing in the background hanging down above it's beak is a bit distracting. Would it be inappropriate to clone that out? --jjron (talk) 15:09, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I am glad you mentioned the focus. The dove is focused, but the foreground looks out-of-focus to me. Personally speaking, I think the blurred foreground is a serious flaw. Snowman (talk) 17:35, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Original - A Stingless bee, Meliponula ferruginea. App 7mm long. Pictured in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania
Reason
Good sharpness, lighting, DOF and EV, appearing in two articles as the lead image. The size is a bit smaller than what I usually upload because the image had to be taken form a distance and cropped. It is however still above the requirement. The pictures is not downsampled. The bee is also well identified which is quite rare of African insects.
Oppose I think this is warrants a reshoot - nice subject but lack of overall sharpness (presumably because this is a 1:1 crop) and borderline pixel count. Also noisy background. --Fir000204:15, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
A useful set of images, providing good encyclopedic value to the pages of various protestant martyrs. Featured Set Candidate. The set is complete, including all illustrations by Kronheim, or at least the ones that were printed in this book. The originals are abut 3" x 5". Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 22:02, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Impossible to judge and comment on the EV of so many images at once, but I'm guessing the EV is limited. These diagrams were done for an edition of the book 300 years after it was published, and the accuracy of any individual image has to be in serious doubt in any case. It's kind of like putting up a portrait of Jesus as a good illustration of the man, when we have no idea what he actually looked like. Also looks like sloppy editing, for one example in the caption "Barnes and his Fellow-Prisoners Seeking Forgiveness" - what's with all the capitalisation? (See Wikipedia:Manual of Style (capital letters). --jjron (talk) 17:12, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Kronheim was a reasonably notable illustrator, even if we don't have an article on him yet. Also, those are the titles of the works: You capitalise each important word of titles. Admittedly, they're in all small-caps in the original, so some ambiguity might exist, but I did follow standard rules for capitalising titles. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 23:55, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'm unsure of the EV this has as a set...in the Foxe's book of Martyrs article, they come from a specific edition of the book, and personally, I don't think it adds a lot as a gallery on the bottom. Individually, however, there's good EV, so I would support the individuals. If there was an article on the illustrator, I would then support as a set. SpencerT♦Nominate!19:33, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I think by giving some specific examples of martyrs and the events in their lives that were chosen for special emphasis by Kronheim, you get a much better idea of the book as a whole. The book covers hundreds of martyrs, transitioning rapidly between them, which makes it hard to get an idea of the book from mere description. The images help show the sort of things it emphasises and portrays, and I think it does so reasonably well.
Okay, thanks for clarifying. Weak, weak support of a set (would probably be changed if an article on Kronheim was created). Full support individually. SpencerT♦Nominate!20:03, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on EV grounds. The set really only has value for the article on the book, which I think would benefit better from more (and better scanned) woodcuts from the original edition. If I remember correctly, the Victorian editions of the text were fairly heavily edited--in a scholarly sense, these illustrations are later interpretations more than directly representative of the book itself. Chick Bowen03:43, 17 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
What on earth does the edition being abridged have to do with whether the illustrations are indicative of the book's content? There's literally hundreds of martyrs in the book; no edition would have an illustration for every single one. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 11:15, 17 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, mainly because of the way the nominator has gone around plonking these, let's face it, rather crap Victorian pictures into articles, shoving aside historic images (see Gaspard de Coligny where a Vasari has been booted to the references) and often placing them opposite existing images. I had already removed one from St. Bartholomew's Day massacre, where we already had 3 contemporary images of the assassination of Coligny, & now there are protests from others at Thomas Cranmer, I see. The more obscure ones might be of use, though woodcuts from the early editions are always likely to be preferable, but for example we have many better illustrations for the martyrdom of St Paul. The article Pierre de la Place has been created by the nom for the picture, but though he was supposedly a duke, it is sourced only from Foxe! In fact the long French article [25] makes it clear he was a bourgeois lawyer and writer - not a duke, so forget Kronheim's fancy court dress - with a long career. Johnbod (talk) 11:55, 17 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
If the Vasari wasn't only available at 150 × 506 pixels, with Gaspard himself taking up maybe 50 by 50 of said pixels, I'd have left it where it was. As it is, it's a very, very bad reproduction of what would be a notable artwork. I thought the new one had the advantage of actually making it clear which person Gaspard is meant to be.
I feel no need to defend myself for making stubs. This is a collaborative project, and you are, of course, welcome to improve the articles, however, I lacked better sources to hand, so decided to simply start the work, and maybe come back to it later. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 17:34, 17 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
You evidently have better sources than I: I spent 30 minutes checking online, with no luck. Anyway, featured pictures are completely separate from featured articles. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 17:57, 17 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Original - Bluebottle fly (Calliphora vomitoria)Crop
Reason
Good lighting, particularly clear illustration of mouth parts. The flower it was feeding from has a fairly unpleasant odour, but I haven't identified that yet.
Support cropped version. The detail is exquisite, and this version really makes the fly stand out (less distractions). hmwithτ13:21, 21 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Support I must admit, this is a very beautiful and breathtaking building/picture but its just not significant enough. Still I believe it has some aspects for a FP. MadadudeMy Talk Page20:54, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Who determines what is significant and insignificant, though? In terms of architectural significance, it is actually quite significant IMO. It's a major work by architect Santiago Calatrava who is known as one of the great modern architects among peers such as IM Pei... Diliff | (Talk)(Contribs)21:47, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support What an amazing looking building... Brilliant quality picture, even showing a clear view of the grand piano in the bottom left window... There is a blurred person towards the bottom right about to go under the curved bridge, but other than that minor point a pretty flawless pic IMO... Gazhiley (talk) 11:46, 21 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure now actually. I could check the originals but for now I'll guess at about 50-70mm. But given that this is a 3x5 segment stitched panorama, the focal length alone isn't enough info. You'd need the horizontal and vertical angle of view too. :-) Given the angles of the walkway and bridge, I'd say there's a horizonal AOV from edge to edge of the frame of about 90 degrees (roughly equivalent to a 28mm lens), but the subject itself has probably an AOV of about 50-60 degrees and is roughly equivalent to a 50mm lens (all assuming on a full frame camera). Of course, the projection and distortion is different to a rectilinear single frame photo. It is very hard to judge distortion on architecture like this, but I don't think it's extreme. Diliff | (Talk)(Contribs)14:06, 22 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support Lovely colours of a very attractive building... Cannot see any technical issues, apart from one person appearing blurred to the left of the building as we look at it - however not going to oppose on that point as not an important part of the picture... Gazhiley (talk) 14:26, 17 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment It might be worth mentioning the English translation of 'BMW Welt' in the caption - 'BMW World' instantly gives an impression of what the place is but 'Welt' isn't very meaningful to non-German speakers. Time3000 (talk) 18:35, 17 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Very nice vantage point. I can't help but think the white balance could have been adjusted, which would give the sky a nicer blue colour too.. It seems a bit warmer than needs to be. Diliff | (Talk)(Contribs)16:25, 18 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose, I think. I appreciate the difficulty of getting a good shot of these due to numerous distracting elements and the inevitable 'looking down at' angle of view, but, although the technical quality of them is very good as always, I don't find the composition is particularly great in any of them. That said, I'm not entirely sure how it could be improved either given the distracting elements mentioned above are also pretty fundamental given the environment that they grow in... Diliff | (Talk)(Contribs)11:43, 17 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Apparently they are non-toxic after "parboiling in plentiful water". Magic mushrooms actually look quite different. Anyway, the distracting elements are principally pine needles and per the article in the southern hemisphere they are "symbiont with pine plantations". The buttons are obviously looking down a bit. I had the pleasure of lying in the mud for the other two though. Noodle snacks (talk) 12:01, 17 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support- these are as high a quality as you are going to get while they are natural. Technically very good, the composition shows off the mushroom in its natural environment. J Milburn (talk) 17:57, 18 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose three-piece, support either earlier stage with the mature mushroom. My feeling is that I don't get different EV with the two earlier stage pictures. I'd prefer to drop the first one, it has the worse composition. I would also support either of the other two (2 or 3) on their own (they should be promoted either as a pair or a singleton, not both). Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 23:10, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The buttons in image 1 are about the same size as the one just visible on the left of image 2. Casliber, who did a lot of work on the article, was asking around for a picture of a button before this image was taken. I think that the first image has definite EV. Noodle snacks (talk) 05:55, 22 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. Those things are tiny, and it's a quality image that illustrates well what they actually look like. Unless you dig them up (which obviously wouldn't fit with this set) that's all you're going to really get. J Milburn (talk) 19:10, 22 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose 3-piece I agree with Papa Lima Whiskey. I do not like the first image, as it doesn't look like FA quality, but the second two are great pictures of the mushrooms in their natural environment, and I would definitely support those 2 on their own. hmwithτ13:42, 21 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
OK, lets it now rather than later. Promoted Image:Amanita muscaria Marriott Falls 1.jpg and File:Amanita muscaria After Rain.jpg. MER-C12:45, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Original - The USS Iowa (BB-61) performs a full broadside with her guns after her modernization in the 1980's
Reason
The combination of excellent resolution, color and texture warrants a FP for this outstanding work. It grabs your attention looking at it, and it does a good job on the Battleship article as a "hook". Even the other Iowa picture (the FP one) would not work in the same context. It is in the Public Domain as a work of the US Navy.
Note: This is not cropped The original is exactly from the US Navy site. And the crop is actually quite minimal. If you look at the FP, you see where the shot ends. If you look at the top set of guns, you can see the balloon of the gun where the shot ends. The whole set of flame is in the top of the picture. What tight crop? Yes, the bottom set is cut off a little, but that is a minimal crop. --Riotrocket8676You gotta problem with that?03:09, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I suspect what they were meaning to say is that the framing is a little too tight. Crop does imply that it was edited from an original, which I don't think was the intended meaning. Diliff | (Talk)(Contribs)13:31, 17 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Support I am aware that this picture has been nominated before and there is also currently a similar FP. However, I strongly support this nomination because this particular picture is magnificent and brilliant enough to be a FP and I am surprised it is not an FP yet.MadadudeMy Talk Page20:58, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support While there has been another picture made FP, this is undeniably a fantastic, striking, powerful (no pun intended) photograph. I strongly support this photo. Coastalsteve984 (talk) 16:57, 20 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I agree with Diliff that the (as he reworded it) framing is too tight. It doesn't look balanced, and just doesn't appear to be FA quality, in terms of general layout. hmwithτ13:35, 21 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The map is high-quality, high-resolution, and has good detail and enc. The first nomination (of the PNG version) is here and the second nomination is here.
Hopefully, the voters. The 1st nom had issues with the image that were fixed (such as the creation of an SVG version), and old votes opposing earlier editions were not amended. The 2nd nom only had 2 votes besides the nominator, both of which were supports. SpencerT♦Nominate!21:28, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Original - Tent caterpillars are moderately sized species. Tent caterpillars hatch from their eggs in the early spring.The tent is constructed at a site that intercepts the early morning sun. The tent consists of discrete layers of silk separated by gaps and the temperature in these compartments varies markedly.Original no edit
Reason
High resolution, good quality image, which shows caterpillars both inside and outsite the tent
Pretty much everywhere. If you zoom in, they are very bad compared to normal grainness. This was probably caused by inappropriate edits. If you still have the original, then there is a chance of fixing it with more caution about artifacts. ZooFari23:36, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Hmmm... they are definitely CA. The original doesn't have none. It must have been an edit that caused the manipulation. Try nominating the original... ZooFari00:43, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. Well. I believed it was some noise, and I believed it was not such a big problem. The resolution of the image is much higher than required. It could have been down sampled, but I simply withdraw the nomination.--Mbz1 (talk) 01:10, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Are you sure? That original seems pretty good. Don't get discouraged. If you can edit the white balance (seems cloudy) without causing CA, I think it has some good chances for either FP or VP. I think the CA was caused by over sharpening. ZooFari01:18, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think it is compression artifacts at all - it doesn't look like what I know jpeg artifacting to be. It looks more like patterns of noise exacerbated by strong sharpening. The sharpening is a bit strong and unnecessary if you ask me though. Diliff | (Talk)(Contribs)14:31, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, Diliff, for taking your time to look and to comment on the withdrawn nomination! I uploaded a new version over the first file. I hope it is better. --Mbz1 (talk) 18:04, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I think there is unecessary confusion here as ZooFari is using the acronym CA to refer to compression artifacts, but the abbreviation CA is commonly used in photography to refer to Chromatic Abberation which is a unwanted color shift created in poorly designed/corrected or just plain cheap lenses , and that may be what Mkz1 expected you meant by CA? I can't see any Chromatic Abberation for sure, and agree with Diliff that it looks like overcooked sharpening of inherent noise. Mfield (Oi!) 01:39, 18 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I agree that it is oversharpened. It seems like this because the resolution is higher than necessary, thus zoomed too close that they seem like compression artifacts (by the way, CA in my comments ment compression artifacts). The grain gets sharpened as well creating these unwanted patterns, as Diliff mentioned. This creates a problem in thumbnails, so perhaps the version that's not oversharpened is better. ZooFari01:52, 18 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well this CA whatever it was is gone now in both the edit of the original and the original no edit, so may I please ask you, ZooFari to change the oppose reason? Just for me to learn my mistakes for the feature. Thank you for your time.--Mbz1 (talk) 05:26, 18 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I'm going to commit to this one. The image quality at 100% isn't ideal, but it's a fascinating scene and the detail is enough to get an idea of the overall subject, even if not the individual caterpillars. In this case I think the enc gets it over the line. Diliff | (Talk)(Contribs)16:45, 18 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support Seems alright. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that you went back to the original when you prepared the second version (i.e. the one uploaded over the original edited "original" - yes, your naming could be better, or your upload strategy, whichever). Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 23:20, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
While I disagreed with Durova's colour choices, I think the underlying work has merit, and is important for countering systemic bias. Luckily, Durova believes in making her work accessible to other restorationists, thus I was able to go to a partially-finished restoration, and rework from there. I believe this is a more accurate colour scheme - brown ink was a common ink colour, for instance, squid ink or sepia, so there's no reason to presume brown is wrong - and I also left in some clear signs of paper grain, which I think makes it look better.
Yeah... I didn't really get to this in good time, but, oh, well. That an important subject gets an FP in the end through collaborative restoration is probably more important than the timing =) Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 13:57, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support The other version does look over-edited. This version is high quality and still retains its antique feel. hmwithτ13:27, 21 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Image is from an open access journal publication, showing how transmission electron microscopy can be used in conjunction with tomography to create 3D images of nanoscale objects, essential to sciences such as virology for the understanding of disease vectors.
oppose - A neat graphic, but I think a standard thin slice image would be more illustrative of TEM uses, and as an illustration of a parapoxvirus, the geometry looks a little dubious to me. deBivort19:22, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
support, though it's a somewhat odd presentation, I think it could be useful. Could use more explanation in the caption, for instance, mentioning the debris around it is not part of the virus. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 20:50, 17 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
How about:
3D tomographical reconstruction of a Parapoxvirus by TEM, as obtained from a sheep's oral mucosa. The virus sample was dispersed onto a support film and stained with uranyl acetate, in order to selectively bind to the viral protein; the rectangular background is excess stain from the cropped 3D section.
Original - Act 3, Scene 6 (the ballet at the camp of le Cid) from Jules Massenet's Le Cid, as performed in the original production. From L'Illustration's coverage of the première.
Reason
While not quite as good as the Act 2, Scene 3 image a bit further down this page, I still think this is an excellent image of the premiere production of the opera, and the encyclopedic value makes up for some minor, but not really fixable, streaking in the sky.
I fixed as much as I could, but, well, there's some things that just cannot be readily fixed if they're in the original. I could make it a bit less yellow if that's desirable - the final colour adjustment is a bit of a compromise between several aspects. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 23:14, 24 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Original - Close-up of Siegmund Breitbart, modern day Samson, in November 1923. Breitbart is pulling a heavy weight with his teeth, a classic strongman routineNot for voting - unrestored original
Reason
Portrait of Siegmund Breitbart, showing a close-up of a classic strongman routine.
Original - Frontispiece to W. Dugdale's c. 1825 edition of Childe Harold's Pilgrimage:
Lo! where the Giant on the mountain stands, His blood-red tresses deep'ning in the sun, With death-shot glowing in his fiery hands, And eye that scorcheth all it glares upon; Restless it rolls, now fixed, and now anon Flashing a far,—and at his iron feet Destruction cowers to mark what deeds are done. For on this morn three potent nations meet, To shed before his shrine the blood he deems most sweet.
Support: Childe Harold's Pilgrimage must be one of Byron's best known works. This makes a very nice and appropriate illustration for the article. Maedin\talk06:35, 24 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Original - Detail of the Padrão dos Descobrimentos (Monument to the Portuguese Discoveries) showing the mathematician and cosmographer Pedro Nunes with an armillary sphere. To his left, Jácome de Maiorca (Catalan cosmographer and chart maker) and Pedro Escobar (navigator); to his right, Pêro de Alenquer (navigator), Gil Eanes (navigator) and João Gonçalves Zarco (navigator). Sculptures by Leopoldo de Almeida, architectutal design by Cottinelli Telmo.
Reason
Very high resolution image illustrating part of a well-known contemporary masterpiece. The size, number of figures and detail of the monument justifies IMO partial illustrations like this one. The picture is a panorama of three photos
Yes, the need to illustrate the article on Pedro Nunes, which had no picture. But the image would be unbalanced with a single figure, so I joined some other which are related with the subject (navigation and cartography) Alvesgaspar (talk) 00:50, 20 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Original - Springsteen performing on the Tunnel of Love Express at the Radrennbahn Weißensee in East Berlin on July 19, 1988.
Reason
Mostly, it's quite striking, but there is an interesting historical aside. This photo was from a concert in East Berlin that fell right between Reagan's "tear down this wall" and the destruction of the wall. The resolution may not be the best, but there's an amazing amount of clarity in what pixels it does have. No regions are too black, no too white, and the depth of field is great.
Oppose Sorry, but it's simply too small, especially once you crop out the text to the bottom right. There are scratches/dust/whatever and the head of the guitar is cut off.--HereToHelp(talk to me)12:50, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, sadly. Size is too small, and the image is of poor quality, especially the specks. Also, the text at the right detracts from quality as well. tempodivalse[☎]17:52, 21 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Original - The Tower of Belém, in Lisbon, was built in the sixteenth century, under king Manuel I, to commemorate the voyage of Vasco da Gama to India. Its style, known as Manueline, is a late gothic of Portuguese origin incorporating ornamental elements from the discovery ships and voyagesAlternative
Reason
detailed and high quality panorama of a well-known monument. The issues of last nomination (twin tourists and stichting errors) have been addressed with a brand new panorama
Weak Support. Yeah, I agree that the previous one has better lighting, but I prefer the composition of this one with a bit more space at the bottom. I don't think that lighting makes or breaks the EV of the building though, so I'll support this one. Diliff | (Talk)(Contribs)15:56, 20 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support original Alternate has the previously discussed stitching problems. I prefer the width of the alt, but the foreground in the new version helps too. Noodle snacks (talk) 02:31, 21 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose original, weak support alternative I'd have to go with the better colors on this one. The perspective in the "original" seems just a bit too slanted. Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 11:46, 21 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I listed this at PPR first. It only got one comment but that said to attempt a nom, so here I am. Anyway, like I said there, I think this picture is of good quality considering its age, has high EV, and a definate "wow factor".
Weak support His face is in focus, which is probably all we need. Right side of his face is lacking in color depth, which is hard to overcome given the overexposure of the original jpeg. The other half of his face blends into blurriness. But his eyes, mouth, and brow are impeccable, and his nose nearly so. It would be good to have an FP of him. Maybe we can sort out the troubling of dark specs on his left trapezius before we promote this. Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 22:39, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Out of respect for users, this image is not presented here since it is a clear representation of the head of a human male penis. While Wikipedia is not censored, this is done as a courtesy. To see the image, please see File:Hirsuties papillaris coronae glandis.jpg.
Caption
Hirsuties papillaris genitalis on a circumcised human penis.
Reason
Beautiful image quality, perfect example of the article material. Extremely helpful.
Comment - I fixed the formatting on this page and, as a courtesy, removed the image, but included its link. Penises are not the thing I expect (or hope) to see when I come to FPC, so you will have to follow the link to see the image. :-) ~ ωαdεstεr16«talkstalk»22:51, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support Remember this is a featured picture candidate!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by GerardM (talk • contribs)
Support I've seen this article in its use on the article, and I was surprised with the very high quality. Great FA candidate. hmwithτ14:00, 21 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - I fail to see anything exceptional in terms of technical quality, beauty or EV rather than the subject itself. Also, I wouldn't like to see a diseased penis (or a liver or a anus) in the main page. -- Alvesgaspar (talk) 20:14, 21 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
First of all, I'd like to point out that the penis in question is definetly NOT diseased, as you would know if you had read the article, but more importantly, an FP doesn't need to be on the main page. Some FA's, like on porn-stars or overly technical subjects, are never on the main page, for example. Communist47 (talk) 21:57, 21 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry if the word is not accurate. I did read the article, which talks about lesions and clinical skin condition which I can only interpret as an abnormal or non-desired situation. Anyway, the exact definiton of disease is not the main point here. The way I see it (and I may be wrong, of course) the nomination would lose most of its interest if the subject were a carrot or a turnip and would only pass if its quality, beauty or EV were absolutely exceptional. -- Alvesgaspar (talk) 22:40, 21 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Except I think it's worth noting that unlike a carrot or turnip, getting a high-res photo of a papuled penis isn't exactly the easiest task. Communist47 (talk) 01:14, 22 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: Many thanks to Wadester16 for hiding the image from this page. Considering I first came aross this nomination while at work, I owe him one! As to the image itself, I agree with Wadester16 that it's a little harsh and the shadow is offputting. Personally though, what kills it for me is that I would prefer the subject itself to be a little cleaner. To avoid any lengthy discussions about whether or not it's appropriate to make it "artificially" clean, I will point out now that I have considered this point already, and have concluded that, as most people bathe regularly, having a cleaner specimen is neither abnormal nor unexpected. I get the impression that this was a snapshot without any "preparation", as it were, which I think would have been appropriate in this case. I agree that it's an interesting subject, though, and not one you would normally find illustrated, so I might support another try. Maedin\talk06:58, 23 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
How would preperation be appropriate? It's a high-res zoom shot of a penis. It's going to have smegma on it. It would lose its encyclopedic value if the penis was completely clean. Communist47 (talk) 16:39, 23 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I happen to disagree. As I explained, I don't think it's unusual or abnormal for a penis to be regularly washed. I don't see how it's unencyclopaedic for the subject to have been photographed after a shower, instead of before. Maedin\talk06:45, 24 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Original - The Dryad's saddle, mushroom species Polyporus squamosus
Reason
I hope this one appeals to the photo gurus: it's high-resolution, attractive, and clearly shows details of the cap, and (unlike most other available pics of this species) the stem as well. Personally, it's the coolest photo I've seen of this species (compare others at Commons), and free for us to use!
Yes, I believe he is. By the way it was really hard to capture him with the eyes open. He keeps them closed almost all the time. All albinos with albinism in the eyes have problems looking at light.Thank you.--Mbz1 (talk) 14:33, 20 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment There is a small amount of discussion about this image at Talk:Albinism#Alligator_pic. The question asked is "Are we sure that the alligator in the picture actually suffers from albinism and not leucism?". Until that has been resolved this shouldn't be promoted. Noodle snacks (talk) 12:31, 22 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your comment,Noodle snacks. Yes, we are sure that the alligator is albino. Here's the quote from leucism "A further difference between albinism and leucism is in eye colour. Due to the lack of melanin production in both the retinal pigmented epithelium (RPE) and iris, albinos typically have red eyes due to the underlying blood vessels showing through. In contrast, leucistic animals have normally coloured eyes." The color of the eyes of this alligator is anything, but normal. Besides you could take a look at official California Academy site.--Mbz1 (talk) 12:45, 22 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - This is a gorgeous picture with no adequate article to house it. The best one (Proboscis) is only a stub where the subject of the picture (this specisl type of proboscis) is not referred to. Will support if (and when) a proper article can be found or made. -- Alvesgaspar (talk) 23:10, 22 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Original - Space radar image of Sakurajima stratovolcano, located in Kagoshima Prefecture, Japan. Among the most active volcanoes in the world, Sakurajima last erupted in March 2009. Formerly an island, an eruption connected the mass to the Japanese mainland. It is a Decade Volcano. The colors of the image can be attributed to different frequencies and polarizations of the radar as follows: "red is L-band vertically transmitted, vertically received; green is the average of L-band vertically transmitted, vertically received and C-band vertically transmitted, vertically received; blue is C-band vertically transmitted, vertically received."
Reason
Striking, high resolution picture, also very encyclopedic subject.
Support: Well, it isn't excellent, and I considered abstaining or opposing. But then I read more about this volcano's recent activity and that scientists consider it a potential threat to the population, one of only 15 volcanoes identified as such. So, I decided that the EV here tips the balance for me. Maedin\talk11:37, 24 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Original - From left; Perrier carbonated water, Classic Coke, Sprite, and Diet Coke with 5 plain Mentos drops. Diet Coke presented a height about 2.5m. Each green mark is .5 meters
Reason
Image is only moderately eye-catching, but very illustrative of the article and high resolution.
Oppose Exactly what Muhammad said. The picture is fascinating, but technically not great because the garage door is too intrusive in the picture. I'd suggest nominating as a Valued Picture. --Pstanton (talk) 00:51, 22 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I was not aware that the (newly created) VPC existed. I don't disagree that this would be suited for it. I suppose this means I need to go list it there... Vicarious (talk) 21:21, 22 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Cool idea, backgound and perhaps lighting needs work. Having tried this trick myself I wonder how the photographer triggered all four simultaneously. Is it a composite image? Noodle snacks (talk) 12:31, 24 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Oppose Dislike the composition - too much is devoted to empty space (which comes across as somewhat forced attempt to conform with the rule of thirds). Also would have liked the fly angled towards the camera as opposed to looking away. Finally (and this should be correctable) there is a lot of noise in the fly's shadow - it looks as if it was lifted excessively(?) --Fir000200:19, 22 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Edit 1 Uploaded, cropped out empty space and NR on fly's shadow. Regarding the angle, I got just this one picture of the fly before it flew away. --Muhammad(talk)03:45, 22 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I have half a feeling that if we're going to feature paintings that illustrate artists or museums, we should pick examples where the paint is less cracked than in this one. I'm not aware of this being a particular problem with Hals' paints, so I'm hopeful, given that he was reasonably prolific, that better examples can be found. Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 11:40, 21 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree: We shouldn't be insisting that paintings be better than they are in real life. Every work of a major painter is usually considered notable, with maybe a few exceptions. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 05:36, 23 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support: Well, it all looks ok to me. And the cracking isn't particularly noticeable or abnormal. Though I am curious as to what Shoemaker's Holiday thinks is sometimes wrong with Yorck project works? I know nothing about them, so I'm curious. Maedin\talk11:15, 24 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
99% of the Yorck Project works I've seen on Wikipedia are either blurry, have strange colours, or other such problems. I appreciate what they tried to do, it's just they seem to have done much of it with low-end or early-generation digital cameras. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 11:44, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
SupportGerardM (talk) 21:31, 19 April 2009 (UTC) The provenance of the image is important. Yellowing is not really what we are looking for, imho it only detracts from the image itself.[reply]
To some extent, yes, but it always seems a little weird to turn a colour image into black and white, unless you're going to go another step further and lose the paper grain. You lose a bit of wow and make the original look like a reproduction. (Of course, this doesn't apply to images with actual coloured ink and the like, where going to white helps bring out the original intended colours.) I don't think Durova's actual restoration is in doubt. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 00:03, 20 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
When you print, the original colour of the paper is white. Paper does have a grain so these two things are not connected. When we restore pictures, we do not lose information like paper grain but we should lose what was not there in the first place. GerardM (talk) 08:02, 21 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support. There's just a couple of issues that perhaps could be fixed: a rust spot on the floating fairy's hand, and some weird blueish discoloration here and there left over from the original stains in the paper I guess (most noticeable in the top left hand corner over the vines, and on the leaf to the right of the leaf in the left bottom corner). Oh, and as long as I'm picking nits: about a third of the left hand white border is much brighter than the rest of the border -- also left-over from the original discoloration I guess. -- Michel Vuijlsteke (talk)
Original - The Teatro Lirico Giuseppe Verdi, in Trieste, ItalyEdit1 Corrected pincusion and perspective distortions w/slight rotate. Mitigate CA, recrop.Edit2 - Just pincushion distortion tackled. Cropped.
Reason
A fine image of the outside of the theatre. Greatly adds to the (admittedly as yet not fully developed) article.
See Edit2? Perspective distortion bothers me less than "corrected" perspective distiortion. :) [at these extreme angles almost any perspective correction is bound to look "wrong" somehow, and since this isn't Cthulhupedia we can't really have that] -- Michel Vuijlsteke (talk) 05:42, 21 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Original - Illustration of the mechanical process executed by a sewing machine to create a lockstitch.
Reason
This gif displays the lockstitch method, a form of stiching used to sew. It was invented in 1833 by Walter Hunt, and is used by most household and factory sewing machines.
Weak support - another frame or two might be nice at the point where the yellow thread is being pulled taught to smooth out the rapid motion, but the gif is educational and of high quality. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 19:44, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support: It's a little fast for me, but I personally found it quite useful. I've actually pondered about that before, but never enough to bother looking it up. J Milburn (talk) 20:08, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Can anyone recommend me an editor who can slow it down? I am, admittedly, unfamiliar with this process. Synergy21:13, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Then I suppose I won't be touching it. I don't believe its running very fast to begin with, and tampering with it might cause problems so I'll stick it out for now. Synergy01:19, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I was told that, depending on which browser you are using, it may look faster. On mine, its not very fast. This might be the discrepancy some of you are noticing (maybe). Synergy09:22, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Conditional support. Informative, speed seems OK to me. Conditional because image page needs a (decent) English description for enWiki. --jjron (talk) 14:27, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I had both translated; the de was mechanism of a sewing machine and fr was Animation showing how a sewing machine works. So combined with mine I wrote An animated representation of the inter workings of a sewing machine, using the lockstitch method. If someone had something better in mind, go for it. :) Synergy22:21, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know about the subject so can't help out - and I know this goes beyond the original foreign captions - but it'd be nice if someone that did actually know about it named/described the key parts & actions illustrated.--jjron (talk) 07:25, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The only part I don't know is the thing in the middle spinning, but it should be named on the article (if it isn't I'll add it in). The other parts are: cloth, thread, and a needle (I thought it would have been redundant to add that into the caption though, maybe I'm wrong?) And I went a bit further than the de and fr caption, because they were way too basic. Synergy20:20, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Eh, I don't think a lot of that 'basic' information is redundant for an image page. People make a lot assumptions about what is apparently obvious for other people just because they're familiar with a topic themself. And as I said describing the action (not just naming the parts) would be really helpful. For example, with my basic knowledge I can work out that the needle is feeding in the yellow thread, but why does it have that split in it and how is the thread fed into it - some/all of that may be in the article, but I personally think a simple summary on a diagram image page is very useful. Let me put it this way: say you look in a textbook and see a nice looking diagram - do you expect that diagram to have a nice simple caption summarising it, or do you expect to have to hunt through the chapter to find bits of pieces of information and cobble together your own description? Obviously you'd be thinking the book was pretty shonky if you had to do the latter, yet people seem to think the equivalent is perfectly fine, not just for Wikipedia, but for our FPs which are supposedly the best of the best. Hmmm, worth thinking about... --jjron (talk) 05:30, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose What's missing here is a clear demonstration of how the loop of yellow can go all the way around the ball of green thread, in spite of gravity. Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 14:02, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It's not a schematic of a sewing machine ;-) Both elements (the green spool and the yellow catching thing (I don't sew)) are held in place. Obviously, if they weren't, they'd fall to Earth... or whatever is at the bottom of a gif :-p Xavexgoem (talk) 13:32, 16 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure you understood. The topology cannot work as shown. The illustration is not rational. It is incomplete. Two pieces of string, one of which is an unbroken loop, can only cross once and only once if the loop goes around one of the end pieces of the second piece of string. Exactly how it goes around the end piece of the other piece of string is not shown here. This illustration does not satisfy the criterion of completeness, which is a serious flaw. I would guess that it won't be easy to show the entire process in anything less than a 3D illustration, but that's probably irrelevant to this particular nomination. It's possible that this is the same problem that KP Botany is describing below. Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 00:31, 18 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
This editor is correct that something is missing. This is an illustration of a design that requires the bobbin (the spool upon which the green thread is wound) to be free spinning inside a stationary case that holds it, and is not attached to the machine, and the whole bobbin case with bobbin is inserted into a spinning mechanism in the machine, the part the hook is on. Without the information that the bobbin case is free from the machine but stationary while the bobbin is free spinning and the hook is spinning around this, a mechanically inclined reader will look at the illustration and say, WTF? --KP Botany (talk) 10:21, 21 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Conditional supportOppose for now if the weird shape of the fabric thread when it is picked up by the bobbin hook is changed, it should just be linear, it doesn't hook around one of the forks of the hook, but is carried in the center of the hook around the entire bobbin mechanism. This illustration is of the mechanism used on domestic sewing machines or home sewing machines to create lockstiches, the most common type of joining stitch in the most common type of home sewing machines. The yellow thread is the upper thread that is carried by the sewing machine needle from a spool usually on top of the machine and through the top of the fabric to give a little loop beneath the fabric and the green thread is held on a bobbin which is held in a casing in the machine just underneath the point where the needle thread enters the fabric and the bobbin integrates with the hook in the entire bobbin mechanism that carries the fabric thread around the bobbin allowing the lockstitch to be created. It was invented in the middle of the nineteenth century, and if you look at old and modern home sewing machines they are pretty much the same. If the tension of the fabric thread and the tension of the bobbin thread are both adjusted correctly and the feed dogs (grippers that run up in plates that separate the bobbin mechanism from the needle and which feed the fabric evenly through the machine are feeding properly for the fabric the lockstich will appear the same on the top of the fabric and the bottom of the fabric (assuming a single piece or two similar pieces of fabric). I don't know the correct names of anything, but I could probably find them out. Don't we have a diagram of a sewing machine on Wikipedia? Anyway, that's how it works. --KP Botany (talk) 05:44, 17 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
No, sorry. I can't fix the issues presented here. The only thing I can say, is that this giff was created to show the lockstitch method only. Not the complete process of a sowing machine. Best.Synergy15:36, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, it's a bit hard to figure out how to make the animation work and fit in with the other images. I'll probably know in a few more days if I can manage to make something that will fit in, or if it would have to be redone from scratch. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 02:10, 24 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm. Yeah, it'd need redone to get a really good match, I think. I can't get this to work, not with my level of skill. Maybe if I had access to the originals, since it appears this has been downsampled. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 08:43, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Original - Jaffa-Jerusalem railway circa 1890s: French rolling stock, Belgian rails and the first Jerusalem Railway stationNot for voting - unrestored original
Reason
The Jaffa–Jerusalem railway was inaugurated in Ottoman Palestine in 1892. It is considered to be the first Middle Eastern railway. The man principally responsible for actually construction the railroad was Joseph Navon, a Jewish entrepreneur from Jerusalem. This image illustrates rolling stock brought from France, rails from Belgium, and the first railway station in Jerusalem in the background.
Support – not sure I should !vote here, because I requested the restoration (and thank Michel very much for fulfilling the request!), but will do so anyway, along with a further clarification of the significance of this picture:
Basically, this is one of the very few high-quality freely-availabe pictures clearly showing coaches and a loco in pre-WWI Palestine. Certainly the only one such picture I have encountered in digital format. Even more important because most railway enthusiasts seem to take more interest in rolling stock than railway infrastructure, and because railway documentation from that period is practically non-existent (noted in: Cotterell, Paul (1986): The Railways of Palestine and Israel). If I may quote Anthony Travis (PhD in history and faculty member at the HUJI), who wrote a book about this railway, from an e-mail he sent me a few days ago: Probably the best picture for detail of the coaches. In short, the picture is unique and very detailed. —Ynhockey(Talk)20:04, 18 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Original - Silver Banksia (Banksia marginata), Immature Spike Left, Mature Spike Right
Reason
I nominated the left hand side a day or two ago, but I was alerted to the fact that the flower hadn't actually opened yet. I went back and got a second photo and this composite is the result.
Support: I like that the two are side by side, for comparison. Almost makes it more interesting for viewers than if they were each on their own. And, of course, quality is excellent. Maedin\talk06:37, 24 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Good quality, Ev and aesthetics. Bee caught carrying pollen which is what most people associate bees with, after honey. No other pictures of the genus on wiki.
Oppose Head is out of focus - this should be in focus at the expense of other features (unless those features are the subject of the illustration. In this case the shot is front focused (legs are in focus instead of head). --Fir000200:15, 22 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Most of the head is in focus. For something this small, getting a perfect focus from the tiny viewfinder is very difficult as it is, without the pesky mosquitoes desperately searching for dinner. In this picture however, the yellow bands across the abdomen are distinctive to this genus and very informative in differentiating males from females. I think this addresses your concerns as the bands are more important to be shown than the head. --Muhammad(talk)03:39, 22 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support: It's a shame about some of the focus and that part of the plant is obscuring the wasp. However, I do think this is an excellent illustration of the subject and will do very well. Maedin\talk11:22, 24 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Original - McWay Falls is an 80 foot waterfall located in Julia Pfeiffer Burns State Park. The falls cascades to the sandy beach of McWay cove. In a high tidePacific comes so close to the falls that some people consider McWay Falls to be tidefalls.alt 1
Reason
This image is high resolution, good quality and has big EV.
Support Wow! When can i go visit?!! I would so love to be there right now! Oh, and yeah great pic, lovely colours, can't see any issues... Gazhiley (talk) 13:35, 23 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The waterfall is too small in the frame to have much enc for it. The McWay cove is cut off. The dappled sunlight on the waterfall isn't doing it any favours either. There seems to be something a bit wierd going on with the colour/contrast too. Is this a film scan? Noodle snacks (talk) 12:28, 24 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for you vote, Noodle snacks. I do agree that the fall is small, yet the image shows that the falls cascades to the beach, and this is where EV is. It shows how close the falls and the ocean are and why the falls is tidefalls. The falls by itself is not so strong and not so special, the place is. Besides I do have the close up of the falls in the other versions.--Mbz1 (talk) 14:10, 24 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
* Support as nominator --Ironholds (talk) 13:25, 29 April 2009 (UTC) Gah, I wasn't aware of the previous nom. I'd like to withdraw this thing (although it doesn't reflect very well on me, but what the hell); anyone know how I can do that? Ironholds (talk) 06:02, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose As addressed several times before regarding this image, the glare is very distracting and the photo can very easily be retaken to eliminate this. -- matt3591TC05:08, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - sorry but looks like the light caught the creatures face. Also the back leg is blurred, partly --Thanks, Hadseys20:48, 23 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose Nice quality (and hoping this one is not oversaturated), but I don't like the composition. The camera is "looking up". I'd like to see a photograph showing more body than this. ZooFari00:27, 24 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support: I see what Hadseys and ZooFari mean about this one, but I think they are minor issues. To me this is an interesting view and I like the "habitat" provided by the leaves, while at the same time not being distracting. Maedin\talk11:41, 24 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Great detail and pleasing composition. I disagree that 'looking up' at it is a problem. I find it better than the equivalent 'looking down' view, although more side on would have been helpful. Diliff | (Talk)(Contribs)17:44, 25 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: Why is the coast-line so "jigsaw puzzle" like? Apparently this is a version of this map, which I think is superior in terms of the actual geography of the place. Plus, the original has more detail in the lines of the metro. Compare, for example, the yellow line branching to the upper right. I'm sorry, but I think too much has been lost between these two versions. Just pointing out another example, the line shown to Richmond and the Richmond destination look very different on the original. Which is more accurate? Maedin\talk11:49, 24 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well, this map is showing the simplified version of the metro system, which of course does not necessarily follow the actual geography. I personally think that a high quality metro map is supposed to illustrate the system clearly, not the geography. If you like to see the actual geography from a simple metro map, you are asking too much IMO.—Chris!ct20:04, 24 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
To Both: Based on the current FP criteria, the map of the entire area will fail for sure because of criteria 5 "Adds value to an article". Its enormous size prevents it from being used in articles. I think this image already fulfilled the criteria nicely.
Disagree. I'd rather nominate File:Sf-new-map-present1.gif (or any of my other maps, for that matter), if for no other reason than the regional map is clearer and provides more useful information. I've already cropped and shrunk the regional map to a more reasonable size. CountZ (talk) 03:43, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
OpposeFile:Bart-map.svg communicates more clearly. BTW, there are at least two things screwy with the sourcing info. The page with sourcing info seems to have been blanket deleted by Majorly without checking what links to it (but possibly there was never any info there in the first place; regardless, fixing and/or commenting on links would seem to be a no-brainer). Furthermore, the image description was copy-pasted from that other image, File:Bart-map.svg. It's difficult to see how the nominated image is "based on" File:Caltrain map.svg. In conclusion, neither image provides any sources, but at least File:Bart-map.svg and File:Caltrain map.svg comprise a matching set, whereas this image stands out as a low-contrast, tiny-icons ugly duckling in a case where, in contrast to more complex metro and tram systems elsewhere, showing a proportional map actually adds value. Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 11:59, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure exactly why you think File:Bart-map.svg is more clear. To me, it isn't. Also I am quite surprised to see that you oppose base entirely on the incorrect info on the image page. New user may not necessarily know how to upload images and will certainly make mistakes. In any case, I fix it up. And I stand by my opinion that this is better and this is not a "low-contrast, tiny-icons ugly duckling" as you have described.—Chris!ct00:51, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I am likewise quite surprised to see that you comment on my evaluation without apparently having read it, since I believe I commented extensively on the reasons for opposing. To make things easier for you in future, I've now put the relevant passages in bold. Thank you. Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 08:57, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Original - The Pagoda of Fogong Temple, a Chinese wooden pagoda of Shanxi province that was built in 1056 AD during the Khitan-led Liao Dynasty, which at the time controlled a significant portion of northeastern China.
Reason
I believe this meets all the criteria, including no technical errors, no image manipulation, is well over 1,000 px, and demonstrates the topic in an encyclopedic but interesting way.
Generally, if a minor edit can make a very good image even better, it should be made: FPC is the best of the best, so as long as the edits don't cause harm, there's no reason not to do it. I'd do it myself, but photographs are not my speciality, so I don't like to meddle where others can do it better =) Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 15:17, 23 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well, this is all under the assumption that rotating it ~.5 counterclockwise will in fact make the picture look better. However, I wouldn't be opposed to the idea, just to see what it looks like.--Pericles of AthensTalk18:54, 23 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps. All the sources I used to create this article did not mention it being tilted This is probably because it is only slightly tilted and hence not very significant or worth mentioning (unlike the article for Huqiu Tower, where that pagoda is famous for being tilted).--Pericles of AthensTalk01:22, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I attempted to correct the rotation but found it difficult due to the lack of symmetry on either side. It is hard to make any assumptions about what 'straight' is. Even the foundations don't appear to be consistent and flat. Diliff | (Talk)(Contribs)08:32, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Stunning, high resolution, encyclopedic as heck =)
Articles this image appears in
Ulysses S. Grant, Twelve-pound cannon [Replaced an older, unrestored version]. It, or details taken from the PNG version, could reasonably be added to the various other articles on the battles, I have not done this at present.
Creator
Thure de Thulstrup (1848-1930) for L. Prang & Co., Boston
Oppose sorry but it looks like it's trying to accomplish too much. In other words, I think it looks cluttered. Also I can see JPEG artefacts and/or blown highlights (can never remember whats what) --Thanks, Hadseys20:41, 23 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'm pretty sure there are no blown highlights; There may be some JPEG artefacts - A little JPEG compression is necessary to get this to a reasonable size - but I saved at 95% quality so there shouldn't be very much, and also uploaded a PNG. More likely you're confusing the graininess of the lithograph for artefacts. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 20:46, 23 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Hadseys - i.e. way too busy. This sort of image particularly bothers me. Yes, maybe it looks nice at FPC but in the article I think it's somewhat silly looking. At thumbnail size it is not very useful to the reader; to the extent that the secondary images are important they should be cropped and individually inserted. We have another FP like this of a sculptor and it's always bothered me for the same reason. Calliopejen1 (talk) 23:51, 24 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
There doesn't appear to be any shortage of non-montage (?) images of Grant in commons:Category:Ulysses S. Grant - in fact, this seems to be the only one. I note that currently the image has been blown up to 450px in Ulysses S. Grant, making the article look silly even on my uber-widescreen monitor. I can't imagine what it looks like on normal monitors. The problem with this image is that it is not useful at ordinary thumbnail size. Calliopejen1 (talk) 14:49, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support - GerardM (talk) 13:43, 26 April 2009 (UTC) Historic material in its original setting.. In many ways, the way people were portrayed in their time reflects how people were perceived. When this is different from our current vision, it is all the more reason to understand this difference.[reply]
Original - Female Eumerus feae. App 6mm long. Pictured in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania
Reason
Good quality, and EV. Though in only one stub article, there are no other high res images of the species available and the info in the stub is the sum of all the info I could get on it from the web.
Support. Good detail and composition. It looks like a baby with big eyes like that :-). Only 6mm? How are you able to capture it with such resolution? Are you using extension tubes? Just wondering.. Diliff | (Talk)(Contribs)16:06, 23 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Nah, I haven't got tubes yet. Most are just shot at 1:1 and are cropped with very little downsampling, viewed at almost 100% zoom. --Muhammad(talk)17:15, 23 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support Hopfully i will undergo the change when you drop your flash away. It would be much nicer with a more softer light - bringing the animal'a plasticity come to light. Focus is good. --Richard Bartz (talk) 22:58, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Compliments the other images in the article, showing it with closed wings (quite a common resting position). The image has good lighting and is very detailed thanks to a focus stack. I don't think that the decayed wingtips are a major issue, it is quite common as butterflies age.
I didn't crop it beyond the actual shot. I might have a bit more background that I could stitch in since I took quite a number to ensure a successful handheld stack. Noodle snacks (talk) 23:13, 24 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I meant, the damaged wings was probably one of the reasons why the butterfly was photographed so well since its flight would have been affected and it would thus sit around --Muhammad(talk)04:34, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Support Not sure the EV is the best with the wings closed but quality is there. 180mm seems to be pretty good? --Fir000205:34, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Snot bad. Working distance is the main benefit. The bokeh is pretty nice too. The autofocus is bad, but I don't use it for non macro so no big deal. This and the Teatree image above are proof that handheld focus stacks are quite possible if you keep it to a low number of shots. Noodle snacks (talk) 04:53, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Great Scott!The Bride of Lammermoor is one of Scott's major works, and Charles Robert Leslie is a noted artist, so the combination makes for great encyclopedic value.
Nope. I'm not a huge fiction reader on my own, though I was when I was younger. Sadly my pre-tertiary English course involved making up feelings and relating them to the texts in such a way that would appease the biases of the examiners. I wish I had done English studies, at least that had a basis in reality. Noodle snacks (talk) 10:23, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
We have a big monument to Burke and Wills in Melbourne - (very much part of Australian folklore in the same way that Lewis and Clark are in the US) but I'm sure most non-Aussies would never have heard of them. Such is the nature of the world we live in. :-) Diliff | (Talk)(Contribs)09:10, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Promoted File:Charles Robert Leslie - Sir Walter Scott - Ravenswood and Lucy at the Mermaiden's Well - Bride of Lammermoor.jpgMER-C11:24, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Original - The 180° rule is a basic guideline in film making that states that two characters (or other elements) in the same scene should always have the same left/right relationship to each other. If the camera passes over the imaginary axis connecting the two subjects, it is called crossing the line. The new shot, from the opposite side, is known as a reverse angle.
Reason
I'm not sure if this diagram is fancy enough to be a FP, but I stumbled upon it and thought it an elegant way of explaining this cinematographic rule.
Oppose. Actually not a very easy to understand diagram without the detailed caption. In fact, practically the same information could be conveyed without the diagram. I'm not sure it aids the article significantly (not to say it's pointless though). Diliff | (Talk)(Contribs)21:31, 24 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]