Trying to address the concerns in the previous nom, I'm putting the version where green spots have been reduced to minimum (upper image). The lower image (alt crop) appeared in the 1st nom.
There were 5 supports (including the nominator), which is the minimum criteria, since there was no clear-cut consensus. Apart from that you had 2 opposes, which tilts it to not promoted. Although, I would like to see the thoughts of more experienced editors here. --Extra999 (Contact me) 08:43, 31 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Support It is a pretty impressive picture, (as Crisco said above, "Striking"). I don't like how, starting right at the top of its wing, it slowly starts to drift out of focus (until it is completely out of focus when it reaches its tail). It takes away from the pictures integrity. Dusty777 (talk) 22:11, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral Lots of the bird is in shadow (fill flash can help with that) and the pose is awkward. Out of focus areas with small birds are almost a fact of life though (the photographer has stopped down a lot as is). It is otherwise technically well executed. JJ Harrison (talk) 11:25, 27 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Color of background means there is little contrast with subject. Gray on gray. Several images in article have better color contrast of subject and background.TCO (Reviews needed) 07:14, 1 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I don't buy the criticisms made here - shadow issue doesn't seem too strong, and the bird is clearly differentiated from its background at its entire outline. DOF issue has been explained by JJ. I think we'll eventually have to have a set for this species as no single image (taken in nature, at least!) can represent the colour and patterning variation, geographic and otherwise. Papa Lima Whiskey 2 (talk) 11:34, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support Thanks for the nomination. I think this full body crop has the higher value for an encyclopedia article (and perhaps a better colour balance). The other has fractionally more detail in the close-up crop, but at 18MPx, this one is way higher than our FP standards, and is easily suitable for any web application. --99of9 (talk) 22:05, 25 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I don't really see exceptional EV here. What distinguishes this from the multitude of other depictions of Jesus? I'm not too keen on the shot itself either. The backlighting doesn't work for me. I prefer the front-lit version. Makeemlighter (talk) 02:48, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. The version featured on Commons is significantly sharper and better detailed (yes, the nommed image is bigger overall, but in terms of the actual section of the window depicted the other one is actually marginally larger, so that certainly doesn't account for the difference). Colour balance is also significantly different; 99of9 mentioned this, and while I don't know which one has truer colours, the colours in the other version appear to be richer. --jjron (talk) 12:41, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Marginally important and marginal photography. Still a "good" pic. but not FP. (I should probably look and see if we have any previous stained glass or religious pictures as that might sway me...).TCO (Reviews needed) 07:06, 1 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Its significant tail is out of focus; distracting elements on the ground, not the least of which is that stick emanating from its posterior. Saffron Blaze (talk) 18:17, 25 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Original – The oldest known icon of Christ Pantocrator, dating from the 6th century. The two different facial expressions on either side emphasize Christ's dual nature as both divine and human.
Reason
Used in many articles, this photo shows the oldest known icon of Christ Pantocrator, dating from the 6th century.
Support. I am moved by the original art work itself. Seems notable given the date and also the caption is very well done (yes, captions are part of the presentation!) TCO (Reviews needed) 07:13, 1 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I was referring to Rock-cut tombs and Petra my comment. Yes, it is sandstone, but there are many shots of natural features, architecture or rock samples that can do better than this snapshot. I don't see how the Maria image is relevant, yes, it is sandstone too, but it's EV doesn't belong in sandstone either, though I'd argue it would be no weaker than the nominated image for that article. JJ Harrison (talk) 10:41, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Pretty pic, but the sandstone striations are confusing. Not sure if the emphasis is on that or on the tomb part of it. (think this is same issue as others.)TCO (Reviews needed) 07:02, 1 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: This sort of shit pisses me off, especially as I'm the one who uploaded it: Why in hell is Gage's ridiculous modification saved as the "original" (hell, why hasn't that thing been deleted yet?), and the photo that we were sent by the copyright holder uploaded as a "modification"? Oppose until that is sorted out. J Milburn (talk) 11:30, 27 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Wait, I need some clarification: you reverted Gage's edit, so is the modified one (nominated as the "Original" here) the one that is modified and the original ("alternativ" show now) the original? SpencerT♦C22:30, 28 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I reverted Gage's edit because, with none of the due respect, if he's going to upload shit like that, he can do it elsewhere, not over the top of decent pictures. J Milburn (talk) 12:42, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support original. Until we do a better job on portraits of people I need to support these kinds of pics (when well done). IOW, when every celebrity is getting us a pic this quality, I will stop.TCO (Reviews needed) 07:00, 1 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Original – Great Crested Grebe (Podiceps cristatus), Lake Dulverton, Oatlands, Tasmania, Australia
Reason
Various subspecies of this bird appear across Asia and Europe. It is certainly Australia's largest and most attractive grebe. Not that many are found in Tasmania. Years ago they used to breed at Lake Dulverton, where this photo was taken, but the lake had been dry for a number of years because of a drought. Fortunately, there is water in the lake again, and a number of these Great Crested Grebe are around. A few trips and considerable patience in a hide has allowed me to get this photo.
Support colorful subject and nice exposure (bright and dark feathers sill retain details). I would just have cropped the left side a bit to apply what I once read in a photography book (to place the eye on that "sweet" spot, 1/3 height from the top border, 1/3 width from left border). Hmm maybe I do need rest. - Blieusong (talk) 19:43, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Original – Banded Lapwing adult (Vanellus tricolor), Gretna, Tasmania, AustraliaOriginal – Banded Lapwing juvenile (Vanellus tricolor), Gretna, Tasmania, Australia
Reason
This species is much less common, and less aggressive than the other Australian Lapwing species (commonly known as "Plovers"). These image show the important plumage well. I used my car as a movable hide. I'm nominating both as a set (since apparently it makes a difference).
Weak Support adult only, Oppose juvenile and set. Weak support on adult as the darker colours especially seem a bit noisy (unless that's the natural appearance of the feathers; if it is I could be swayed to full support). And while I inherently oppose sets, do we really think the juvenile would pass on its own? Thus oppose that regardless. --jjron (talk) 12:58, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. I actually like the juvenile shot better for illustrative purposes, whatever the technical aspects of the photo are. Not crazy about the aspect ratio and large head room on the adult shot. (in terms of use in an article's text). The very end of the beak seems a little fuzzy as well. Not meant to put down your work with the car hide and all. Really respect that. And I want to send you into the wild to shoot some sports and celebrity photos. TCO (Reviews needed) 15:00, 1 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Original – The sun, about a minute before astronomical sunset. Porto Covo, west coast of Portugal.
Reason
This image has been leading Sunset for almost three years now and was chosen for its encyclopaedic value, among a set of excellent images, after a long discussion (see here). I believe it finally deserves the FP status.
Support. Decent pic and I agree with showing the actual sun disappearing, (the action) vice the alternates that are after sunset. Hope we do not have a bazillion similar shots featured.TCO (Reviews needed) 15:04, 1 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support This is a great sunset pic, not just a sunset. Conditions were good and someone was lucky to be there with a good camera and knowledge of photography ;) --Paolo Costa21:43, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Original – Gnorimus nobilis from Southern France, southeast of Millau, at 2011-06-26.
Reason
A very rare, striking British beetle known as the Noble chafer (Gnorimus nobilis), with a bright green back and a metallic sheen. A very mysterious insect.
Oppose Nice, but not up to our usual standard: noise, high exposure, elements of motion blur. You should be able to purchase a new camera now with hugely improved image quality from around $99 (and try to go for a well-known photography brand, they're almost all represented in that price range now and should have slightly superior combinations of lens and sensor, while being moderate enough in megapixels to still allow a good image). Papa Lima Whiskey 2 (talk) 11:48, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but you're supposed to be commenting on the picture, not how it's been took and how to improve it. Asking me to by a very expensive camera which is not even in my currency is a bit ridiculous. And it wasn't even me who took the image. TrebleSeven (talk) 12:17, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
But, I have to say, that even though the image may have it's tiny little faults, it is for quite a good cause. This is a very rare British beetle, and it's a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity that you will find the insect anywhere. They're dying out. This image really describes what they do and what they are. The plant it is sitting on is known as common hogweed which it feeds on until the early Autumn, when it departs it's life. TrebleSeven (talk) 12:26, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Regretful oppose. While we are certainly able to overlook technical flaws for a photograph of a rare species, this photograph really isn't up to standards; I would perhaps be able to support if the beetle was extinct, or if this was literally one of the only pictures of the species. This is the sort of thing that the valued picture project would have been perfect for. J Milburn (talk) 14:11, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Could be that it's rare in Britain but quite a bit more common elsewhere in Europe? In which case it isn't really a British beetle and isn't really rare... Ðiliff«»(Talk)18:42, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Not promoted Non-free images are not eligible to become FPs (see WP:WIAFP) and may not be used in any way outside of the article space (see WP:NFC). This is not really negotiable, and so I am closing this discussion. J Milburn (talk) 12:52, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support. This is actually a pretty good example of propaganda photography. B&W, shallow focus, enhanced contrast, etc. are all designed to give a heroic look. I think the comments above are treating it as a portrait, which it isn't. That said, I kind of agree about the horse. Chick Bowen04:16, 1 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Maharaj article very well developed and very high view (good), but this photo not used much in the other two and not that crucial to the first. Mostly opposing for photo reasons. Framing. Seems not square?TCO (Reviews needed) 15:16, 1 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I can't support the image, as above. However, I love the colours and the subject; I think it's a really good picture, of an interesting subject; just not FP material. J Milburn (talk) 02:16, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Original – Salman Khurshid, Indian politician belonging to the Indian National Congress. He is the Cabinet Minister of the Ministry of Law and Justice and Ministry of Minority Affairs
Reason
Good quality, light, isolation and EV. The first and only picture of him on wiki. We have few FPs of politicians from countries apart from the US and I doubt any from India.
I wouldn't want to diminish author's merit (the portrait is nice) but as far as I remember, glasses have anti reflection coating, so I don't see what had to be managed here. - Blieusong (talk) 19:19, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support, good portrait. EV of a portrait kinda is what it is, unless it's a continually photographed subject like (per Crisco's comment) Obama. Chick Bowen04:13, 1 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Until we have more/better pictures of people, I have to try to push this stuff. I am skeptical, generally, of the argument for en-Wiki to be more multicultural (we cover what our readers care about), but this article gets 7000+ views per month (notable).TCO (Reviews needed) 15:11, 1 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Oppose This is a terrible example of a 'portrait'. It's very snapshotty, (ISO800 should not be needed! and teh DOF is too shallow, focus falloff around the face and no reason to as there is nothing to put out of focus in the background) there has been no real thought put into the image. The disturbing refelections on the glasses should have been dealt with. His glasses aren't even on straight, his tie is crooked, many many issues here. JFitch(talk)16:23, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
An image should not be judged by its metadata. If discernible noise is present then you may cite high ISO. Regarding the glasses and tie, this was not an official photograph taken in a studio. The minister was to take pictures with some other VIPs and I had just a few seconds from when the minister sat till when the others sat in a somewhat dark area. Regarding your comment on being a terrible portrait, I showed the image to numerous people all of who praised it as one of the best they had seen. The comments from photographers like JJ and Benh strengthen my argument --Muhammad(talk)22:54, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Exactly, especially considering the conditions (and that explains his disgruntled look too). Since India has Crown Copyright, his official portrait won't be free until all of us are very old men and women. Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:28, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
And thats fine. I'm judging by featured picture standards here. You may well have the best possible picture for the circumstances, however if those circumstances didn't allow for a good enough portrait then it doesn't matter, and shouldn't be featured. The metadata is clear in what is being seen. It IS noisey, however the effect has been greatly reduced by a large amount of downsampling to make the image smaller. (It's not even a quarter of the size that the taken image would have been at). And The focus issues I noticed instantly. JFitch(talk)13:27, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Original – A boy "holding his own head" in a Visual gag
Reason
A high resolution image that I believe meets the Featured Picture criteria. This image recently became a Featured Picture on Commons [2]. A great candidate for April Fool's Day Featured Picture.
...And recent articles in The Signpost people comment that there are no low-hanging fruit left... I added some sources; now I have a nice topic to work on. The article was a mess of random fandom and I'm cleaning up using quality sources. Royalbroil17:30, 31 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support -- The quality of the article is not necessarily a consideration for FP; for POTD, on the other hand... if you want this for April Fools, someone needs to start adding sources. The image is good, I like it. Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:14, 31 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Funny and all, but the sunlight is behind them so the boy's face is completely in the shade, the right foot is a little chopped off, and it's not centered. Also (and I know it's being a bit picky), but you can see the neck by the right hand's middle finger. Matthewedwards : Chat 06:49, 1 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Original – Border fence between Tijuana (right) and San Diego's border patrol offices (left)
Reason
An excellent resolution. This picture is one "worth a thousand words," since it shows two completely different worlds (Mexico on the right and the United States on the left) set apart by a borderline.
Support this was highly educational. I have never seen this border before, and this reminds me of the Haiti/Dominican Republic border, and others where the political border affects geography.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 04:33, 1 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
'Oppose doesnt feel like a natural presentation, description needs some clarity I expected mexico would be on the left as its to the "south". Description doesnt help to improve orientation needs a "looking north/south/east/west" Gnangarra13:40, 1 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Good content, but photo just does not seem clear (I think the smoggy day or maybe the angle). Probably better if fence at center of photo also, and just a little wider aspect ratio (since we empahsize left to right, eye wants more sweep in that dimension). The droppoff (and bushes) in foreground is unfortunate as well (think shot without showing that would be better).TCO (Reviews needed) 16:24, 1 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Original – Saints Cyril and Methodius National Library of Bulgaria is among the main symbols of Sofia. It was designed by the architectural team Vasilyov-Tsolov, leading Bulgarian architects from the first half of the 20th century.
Reason
Quality dynamic photo which presents the whole front facade of one of the landmarks of Sofia.
Weak Support. Nicely taken. I can imagine that this is probably the best possible view of the subject (any closer and distortion becomes distracting, any further and the trees become too prevalent, in summer, the leaves would obscure, etc), but it doesn't have much wow-factor at all - the lighting is a bit dull, the grassy area is bare, etc. Ðiliff«»(Talk)09:51, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the exact explanation of the situation indeed this is the best position and time. As for the lighting, you describe as a dull, this is the moment in the morning when the sun starts touching the front facade. An hour later and the crowd become bigger, an hour earlier there are not so many people but the facade is in darker shadow.--MrPanyGoff (talk) 12:54, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support Per Diliff (a nice summary of these annoying little things which architectural shots in busy places). It's a bit cold of a picture and I wish there were more green as well, but this probably would have lower the EV which is more important over here. - Blieusong (talk) 19:35, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Support very good framing and timing of the year and happy to see the human scale well captured as well, but I think a bit more light on the façade would have made it even better. I altered slightly the caption to link to the article about the building and be more encyclopedic in style. Hope you don't mind. --Elekhh (talk) 00:23, 30 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support per others. Also I'm pretty sure it has a minor clockwise tilt. The verticals also look to bow out a bit - perhaps some correctable lens distortion? --jjron (talk) 11:31, 30 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I thought it had a clockwise tilt as well... until I checked it with an onscreen straightedge. It's actually quite level. I think there may be an optical illusion going on with the trees and sky. Regarding the tilted out sides... yes, they definitely tilt out. The photo is also taken from slightly off-center. If you're going to take the time for such a nice shot, is it too much trouble to shift a foot or two left or right to get the shot dead on? JBarta (talk) 02:51, 31 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I did check it against a straight edge (roof and veranda level) and thought it had a very minor tilt, but it was only a quick and rough check so am willing to be corrected if someone has checked more carefully. Hmmm, if it does bow a bit, maybe that explains a perceived tilt... --jjron (talk) 02:58, 31 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Nice building and snap, but looking at the articles, they are very skimpy and this shot not really supporting much. (low tie-in to content IOW).TCO (Reviews needed) 15:08, 1 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
That's an invalid reason for oppose, just because the articles are "very skimpy" is not a valid grouns for oppose. Being a picture of the building that SS. Cyril and Methodius National Library the article is about, makes this about the most relevant picture you can have for the article, which is all that is necessary for that part of the criteria. This oppose probably should be struck since it's simply an oppose on the quality/quantity of the articles it is in and the relevance of the picture for it's main article is pretty clear. In the future TCO, please try to keep your votes within the constrains of established promotion criteria and conventions... If you have any questions on any rule or if you think something should or shouldn't be promoted like this, then start with a comment, ask for others opinions on it first, or use the talk page. The goal of this project is to get quality high value images for our articles, and as been shown time and time again, a stub that has a FP is VERY likely to get improved well beyond a stub. VASTLY better chance of a stub with a FP to be improved then a stub without. — raekyt13:54, 7 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
That's right, the contributors of good photos are not responsible for the development of the articles and all the problems in the Wikimedia as a whole.--MrPanyGoff (talk) 10:50, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Original – The Cathedral of the Immaculate Conception of the Holy Virgin Mary in Moscow. A Catholic church (very unusual in Russia) built in a Neo Gothic style.Alternative – The Cathedral of the Immaculate Conception of the Holy Virgin Mary in Moscow at night..
Support. Article is low view but has had a lot of love and development by GOP (kudos). Church is special in that there are only two Catholic cathedrals in Russia (not just another church). This is the most helpful illustration in the article (which has several helpful ones) and I like the angle and framing. Size, just creeps over our threshold, but image is from 2007 and looks OK to my eye. Definitely illustrates the article well.TCO (Reviews needed) 14:42, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose (sorry). Small image of a big object; overexposed sky, some annoying compositional elements (such as the half-car). Clearly a very useful illustration, but not really up to standards for FPC. J Milburn (talk) 02:09, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Alt. Doesn't meet the size criteria and is therefore again a small-image-of-a-large-object. I'd like to be able to see a whole lot more detail than this offers. Nikthestoned15:52, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Withdraw I withdraw it. Thanks for everyone who commented. I don't understand your oppose votes concerning the file size; as our featured picture criteria explains, the picture should be minimum 1000 pixel large in either width or height. But you say it is a large object, but the picture small, thus it fails the criteria. ♫GoP♫TCN11:49, 7 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
As you indicate, the 1000px is a minimum criteria. Most images are expected to be considerably bigger, especially for big things like this or landscapes that inherently contain a lot of detail. And the Alt was considerably below even the minimum. --jjron (talk) 12:27, 7 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Just does not seem that special. Total stub of an article. Not really supporting discussion of a detailed description for instance and not that different from many other insect FPs. (I know peeps will hate the rationale, but it's good to have different perspectives...I'm a strong article guy, like seeing a connect to content, not just snaps).TCO (Reviews needed) 16:37, 1 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
You can't not support the picture on the grounds of the article being a stub (that is not in the Criteria, (as said above by Crisco).... Does the picture not contribute to the article unless its full length? Is the article not worthy of having a featured picture in it? Just because the article is a stub, that means the picture doesn't give it EV? Dusty777 (talk) 01:49, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
If I wanted to be neener-neener legalistic, I could say that I had given an EV rationale "Not really supporting discussion of a detailed description." But really...I just feel I go more by the spirit of the law than by the letter. It just seems like we are not promoting what is most valuable. Anyhow, changed to comment so as not to make the vote off. And will not leave future comments. Let it go at that.TCO (Reviews needed) 02:01, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support per nom. Lighting is pretty harsh creating a lot of reflections off bug and harsh lighting on tree, but it's quite well controlled. 'Feels' a bit oversharpened (sadly exif has been stripped making it harder to evaluate). Back antenna unfortunately disappears behind that twig. Article needs development, but EV is there. --jjron (talk) 02:58, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. If this was a rare fossil then OK, but for an extant and according to the article fairly common species I'm not sure why we'd feature such a damaged skull (most notably all the missing teeth). --jjron (talk) 16:11, 30 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
If JJHarrison can shoot all those bird shots, maybe he could just go lop some heads until we get one with better teeth? But seriously, I don't feel the skull is very damaged and dentition is not an emphasis of the article. (for that I think you want separated open jaw, perhaps even detached into two arcs.TCO (Reviews needed) 16:43, 1 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Like the aspect (angled view) and feel you get some good content, not seen from the living head. There is some detailed discussion in the facing text about the large jaw for example. I wish there was a bit less super anatomical term writing, but that is a side issue.TCO (Reviews needed) 16:43, 1 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I discovered by chance that appointment (thank to Crisco 1492). The skull dates from the early 1920s and was taken in the forest. The interest of the image is in the angle of view which is not usual. This is to show the interest of Focus stacking.--Archaeodontosaurus (talk) 16:30, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Original – Thomas Cranmer, in a portrait by Gerlach Flicke. Cranmer was a leader of the English Reformation and Archbishop of Canterbury in the mid 1500s.
Reason
High EV, attractive, clearly PD despite what the National Gallery claims. Previous nomination failed after not garnishing enough support.
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Original – A restored Bedford Lorry, at the Brede Waterworks, in use by a local merchant
Reason
Beautiful image showing a vintage Bedford vehicle, restored, still in use in recent years. shows quality of workmanship, restoration, functionality after many years.
Oppose per Crisco, specifically the cars and the sign on the fence. Also, if the vehicle is still registered, the registration plate should be pixellated or blanked out. Matthewedwards : Chat 06:29, 1 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment i appreciate the comments given here. This was my first featured pic nomination, didnt know the process that well, trusted that any good faith nomination would at least get reasons for opposition. I will be back if and when i find (or upload) a picture that fits the various criteria that are applied. again, thanks, seriously.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 19:42, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Original – Hurricane Wilma as a Category 4 hurricane shortly before making landfall in Cozumel. At one point, Hurricane Wilma was a Category 5 hurricane and to this day remains the strongest Atlantic hurricane ever recorded.
Reason
I submitted this image a few days ago; the nomination ended with one support. Hopefully I can get more votes this time and it will be promoted.
It's fine. Some people look at it as pass/fail. I think we are making a series of qualitative judgements (how much is a blemish a blemish), giving weight to pictures that contribute more, etc. that's just the way, I call it. Others can be different. I mean if we had 10 of the same storm, would they all be FPs? (even if technically good?) Similarly, given the actual value of the pic is not that much (it is just "another hurricane) vice a picture of a specific person or building or animal where the visual illustrates detail characteristic of the subject. I mean that storm was changing all the time. And realistically having the photo is not illustrative in the sense of recognition. Anyhow...you don't have to see it that way...but I do.TCO (Reviews needed) 20:25, 1 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment This has come up time and time again, the ONLY criteria we need to look at is if this image contributes SIGNIFICANTLY to the article(s) it is in not if we have hurricane pictures already as FP. If we have FP's of this specific hurricane already then you have a valid point to oppose on those grounds, but if we don't have FP's of THIS SPECIFIC HURRICANE then it's NOT a valid oppose on those grounds. Otherwise you can equally say, we have to many car FP's so we don't need to promote any new cars, or we have to many birds so no need to promote anymore birds. The policy is we evaluate the picture for it's quality AND how it contributes to the article(s) it is in, not if we already have similar content. We ONLY look at similar FP's if the similar FP's are of the EXACT SAME THING AND used in the EXACT SAME ARTICLE(s). *sigh*. There is absolutely no reason why we couldn't have a featured picture for every single tropical storm that is notable enough to have an article here. Same reason is there is no reason why we can't have a FP for every single bird we have an article for, or every single building we have an article for, or every single person we have an article for... Extended too no reason why we can't have a FP for every single article we have. This isn't a picture gallery we're collecting, so what is already a FP or not has little concern. — raekyt13:42, 7 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe, one thing I wonder thought is that at least a picture of a person or of a species is identifying. A picture of a storm is not. The storm changes all the time. And the storm looks the same from storm to storm. So an illo serves less purpose.
Also, if all we care about is technical aspects, how do we motivate creation of the most needed pictures? How do we ensure what is put on the front page is interesting to readers? Maybe we could just hand out FPs to any technical well done photo, but reserve the POTD for photos that are not too much the same subject and give preference to the topics of more note?
Anyhow, I really am sensitive to only being a disruptor and how my votes get sidetracked away from the submission of the photographer. Am thinking about not participating any more.TCO (Reviews needed) 14:11, 7 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The FP process we're participating now, has nothing to do with the front page. FP is NOT a front page thing. It's a side project to put featured content on the front page, not the purpose of identifying featured content. What does or doesn't go up as the FP of the day isn't something this process decides, and we promote usually far more per day than can be displayed so not all will show up there. You're welcome to participate but learn from the experiences when you derail votes. — raekyt09:46, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Oppose Without being able to recognize any of the landforms, I don't see how this image adds anything to the article. There are 3 other photographs of the hurricane in the article, 2 of which look very similar to this one. What does this image actually convey to the reader other than what a large hurricane looks like (which they already know from the other images)? Kaldari (talk) 06:35, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Original – A membrane cell process for chloralkali production
Reason
Complicated diagram to support a discussion with a lot of chemical equations and mass transfer and charge balance. Huge industry (important article). Support work on chlorine
Support as creator -- Add that the content is scientifically accurate (the guy who made this is a chemist working with membrane processes). I think illustrations and diagrams are generally under-featured in FP, and would be a good change-of-pace from the normal photographic images. Jon C (talk) 07:45, 1 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I think this diagram could be clearer in a couple of scientific aspects:
It is not clear where the sodium counterion to chlorine on the left side of the cell is deposited/lost to/etc. I assume it is deposited onto the electrode?
The role of the positive and negative electrodes is not clear either either, i.e. how are electrons involved?
The drawing quality is certainly FP standard but I think these points need to be cleared up to make this picture have suitable accuracy and EV. - ZephyrisTalk23:46, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, yeah, didn't spot that. Unfortunately that kinda supports my point; I love the diagram but think it could be just a little bit clearer! - ZephyrisTalk12:05, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The sodium cation does not participate in the oxidation - it shuffles to the net partner, and in a cascading chain completes the circle on the reduction end. Unfortunately this is not something that a single image can convey without text supplements. Likewise with the electrons - to fully show the providence and end of the electrons, the entire battery would need to be showed explicitly, and I think that would lead to more complication than the articles need at this point. Jon C (talk) 04:06, 9 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support Seems clear to this engineer that didn't like either chemistry class he had to take in college. Image quality is great; wish there were more like it. upstateNYer05:05, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support as above. I'm not a scientist, but I appreciate the importance of these kinds of diagrams. They certainly have a place in our FP galleries. J Milburn (talk) 23:19, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Support. Fairly plain, but I guess that's what you want. Assuming it's accurate, and I haven't seen anything to say it isn't, the actual diagram elements seem good - clear, consistent, correct symbols, etc. The only major gripe I have is that the A, B, and C are not defined in the Legend; yes, they are in the file description, but neither the legend nor the caption in the article defines them. If this becomes separated from the image page, or if someone doesn't know to click through, that is potentially confusing. Note that my question above on the sourcing is also yet to be acted on. Switch to full support if these things are adequately addressed. --jjron (talk) 03:57, 7 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The legend and ion graphics are too small to be deciphered in all of these articles. Either the legend and ion graphics should be made bigger, or the image should be bigger. Otherwise the graphic is not actual useful within the articles. Kaldari (talk) 06:24, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The image is a SVG, and can be scaled to any size as necessary. I embedded them in the article at this size because they read right on my screen -- I can see if that at different resolutions it may not work as well. Speaking of which - is there an option to dynamically scale the graphics within an article to full browser width, so we're not making it too big for device-browsing, and too small for high-resolution displays? Jon C (talk) 04:06, 9 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment One thing that isn't made immediately clear to me. There is a H2O input on the right, but presumably water flows through the other input and outputs? If that is the case then surely we ought to put a water molecule or two in those pipes to make it clearer? JJ Harrison (talk) 23:23, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Good point - I'll make that change. Thanks to all of you for thoughtful responses - this exercise, I felt, have made the diagram and associated pieces better in ways that I simply haven't thought of at first place. Apologies for some tardy responses - this isn't one of the pages I frequent on Wiki. Jon C (talk) 04:06, 9 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Might also help to indicate that blue background means liquid, and possibly that white might indicate gas (may pay to change the gas colour to something distinguishable to background) JJ Harrison (talk) 04:49, 9 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Original – A panorimic view of Srinagar, the largest city of Jammu and Kashmir in India. To the left, there is an underexposed forrest and Shankaracharya Hills.To the north, Dal Lake and the city of Srinagar including old style houseboats.
Reason
The photo shows a magnifacnt view of the city and the largest city of the Indian state.
Support. Looks decent. Covers a pretty notable topic (15K views per month) and shows the whole subject well. Don't understand the comment about underexposed forest though.TCO (Reviews needed) 22:30, 1 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the notification. I've struck the nominator's !vote as per past practice. I believe all others are legit, if someone else would like to confirm. --jjron (talk) 11:16, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support I inspected this at a high enough res that I'm satisfied that the quality will stand up to comparison - notify me if anyone finds different. Stitch seems to be fine, composition is canonical for this kind of subject, everything else is well. Saluto morituros. Papa Lima Whiskey 2 (talk) 11:54, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I actually don't mind the angle, and I think this has been very well composed. The EV is pretty clear in Vasco da Gama Tower; if TCO doesn't like it, he's welcome to nominate it for deletion. If not, his comments should be ignored. J Milburn (talk) 14:22, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I am not trying to hurt any individual here. Am trying to engage with the content and think about service. If you all start throwing out my votes, that is certainly an option and I understand. But then I stop reviewing pictures. I worry you end up with a small clique then, just looking at only a few aspects of photos and doing only a few sorts of images (many very obscure) and it hurts your program more than helps it. No big deal...and I won't be angry if that is how it goes down. Peace. TCO (Reviews needed) 14:37, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The issue that J Milburn is raising is not that your opinion isn't valued, but that !votes need to address the well established Featured picture criteria. At the moment many (most?) of yours don't. You seem to be evaluating the images against a single criterion (5. Adds value to an article and helps readers to understand an article), but then even ignoring most of that and adding your own value judgement on whether you find it to be a worthy enough article. Insufficient EV is a valid oppose reason, but it's pretty hard to argue that when this tower has its own article, especially when it's not just a one or two line stub that was created yesterday (created in 2005 FWIW). If you think the article is unworthy, then as Milburn says you can nom it for deletion. If you think the criteria are wrong then that is fine, but you can't change them just by creating your own criteria for voting, you need to get a consensus, which you could start by initiating a discussion at WT:FPC, and then going from there. In the meantime you need to engage with the actual criteria. --jjron (talk) 16:45, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Original – Australian Paralympian Jeremy Doyle, known for playing wheelchair basketball and representing Australia at Counter-Strike. The image comes from the Australian Paralympic Committee
Reason
Striking, high resolution, we don't have enough pictures of Paralympians (and may not have any featured)
For a player in a team sport, seems rather unfair to expect him to be individually well known to the general public (especially in a fairly rarely followed sport like wheelchair basketball); he is clearly notable as two teams he was on won gold medals. As an aside, as I said below the state of the article is not part of the criteria. Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:34, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe if you showed him in action or something that shows his disability, it would be more encylopedic. This is just a standard posed portrait for someone that barely creeps over the bar to have a BDP.TCO (Reviews needed) 00:53, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
As he died recently, we can't exactly take another one. (I'd scratch the BLP comment up there, btw; how closely did you look at the article?) Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:01, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I also agree with the above comments, but aside from that, i am also opposing on a technical standpoint. This is a very poorly taken studio image. f/5.6 For a studio shot like this is terrible, and it is clearly visible as many parts are out of focus. JFitch(talk)01:29, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
What would you regard as appropriate? Portraits are usually shot at low (lower than this) apertures; Salman Khurshid down below for example is done at f/2.5. Yet Indrawati, Sri Mulyani (IMF).jpg, shot at massive f/8, was just promoted without attracting a mumble of criticism from any reviewers. FWIW it's not just about f/stops, as they're done at quite different focal lengths on different cameras so no blanket statements can be be made, but it's a place to start. I'm not necessarily arguing for this, I just wonder sometimes why some photos attract criticisms that others totally avoid. --jjron (talk) 07:57, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
That first image you linked is terrible and had i seen it i would have surely opposed. The second from a technical standpoint is better, as for promotion i haven't looked into it enough to know if i'd support it. As for Apperture yes i am well aware of the effect that focal length makes. However 5.6 is extremely low, and it shows (His ears are a blur, his eyes are on the edge of the focus field, the focus falls off half way around his cheeks, and the Toyota logo on his arm which is closer than his face is in crisp focus). For the sake of numbers which is what you are asking for, I would shoot around f/16 for a studio shot like this. For a more stylised portrait shot i would open up to somewhere between f/11 and f/7.1 depending on the situation and focal length. For an example of this, take a look at the Barack_Obama lead image. JFitch(talk)12:56, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I'd say focus is pretty much right here; yes the Toyota logo is in focus, but it's in the same plane as his face which is correctly focussed. The Obama one I don't find anything special, and they've done a bit of a cheat by moving him well away from the background to get that more blurred, rather than doing it with a shallower DOF; that's not always an option either. Even then it's still heading to the 'problems' you note here with his ears already blurring, but that's due to what I'd regard as the higher than usual focal length for such a portrait. Anyway I regard those type of portraits using high DOFs as a shotgun approach, or as someone said for the Sri Mulyani one (for different reasons), passport photos. They use a high DOF as an error protection mechanism, meaning they don't actually have to get the focus spot-on to have an acceptably focussed image. Get your lighting set-up, provide a stool or spot on the floor, use a highish DOF, then you can do these things en masse, hundreds or thousands at a time, without even having to refocus/recompose. That's one reason I question promoting any of these type of images. I'd personally prefer skilfully taken shots 'in the field' showing some genuine expression. However, as long as the consensus is that these official portraits are acceptable at FPC (and it currently clearly is the consensus, and to be frank, most articles will use them as the lead image if they're available which I guess speaks for their EV), then, as I say below, we at least need to be consistent about them. --jjron (talk) 16:21, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose. Loses significant enc., IMO: If it showed an action shot, with the wheelchair or a basketball, the picture would have much higher enc. Otherwise, there are not identifiable features in the picture besides the subject. SpencerT♦C06:08, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support per let's have some consistent standards. This is considerably better quality than the just promoted Sri Mulyani image; sure notability may not be as high, but per JJ notability is determined on having a suitable article, not the whims of individual reviewers at FPC. And while an action shot might be nice, we don't seem to expect photos of politicians for example to show them up in parliament or something, so what's with all the inconsistency? --jjron (talk) 08:06, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support. It's a shame there's no wheelchair/ball in shot, but he is in kit. It's also a shame TCO still feels the need to come and derail nominations with his value judgements when, as he pretty clearly admits, he hasn't even read the article. J Milburn (talk) 14:14, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - I think it's a decent image but he appears to have a corona... Can this be fixed? (Additionally, some of my pictures exhibit this behaviour, what causes it?!) Nikthestoned16:10, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I can see it just fine, now it is mentioned. It is more visible at thumb size and caused by use of the shadow highlights tool. I don't find it objectionable in this case. JJ Harrison (talk) 23:18, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Too much head room at the expense of cut off base and no background separation (shot at large aperture). Also I'm far from convinced a bronze statute has much EV in illustrating a person. The statute itself would have to be noteworthy of itself for there to be sufficient EV IMO. --Fir000204:24, 11 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
This already closed, but I should note that this picture is ineligible to become Featured Picture, because under US copyright law, 3-dimensional pieces of art are copyrighted, and thus this photo is a derivative work. In fact, for that reason, it is also ineligible to be moved to Commons. howcheng {chat}21:38, 11 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Criteria 3.1, 3.2 and 5.2. Within Gougeres, I find the cut cross section more illustrative and making me want to know about the roll, than the picture of a basket of the rolls. (Also in a basket like that, we can't get a good sense of the dimensions or overall appearance of a single roll. Also, I have to define subject as rolls in general, not just "that roll". Appreciate the submission and oppose is not meant nasty. It is a pretty pic and looks very still life art school. Just not doing it for me in terms of looking like an illo for an article. TCO (Reviews needed) 14:50, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Awkward composition with tray not sure if it's meant to be there or not, odd framing part way to image right, and cutoff tea towel poorly set up with labels, etc showing. Lighting is dull, backdrop is quite poor (looks like some creased up fish & chip paper or something). A useful picture, but not FP. --jjron (talk) 15:38, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per TCO. I agree that there should be one specimen cut so the inside is visible. However, I disagree with my friend jjron about the artistic style of the photo. I'm a fan of the tray, right-side placing, towel, and paper backdrop. However I do agree that the tags of the towels should have been removed. I have no problem with a little artistic flair being included in our FPs. Even encyclopedic photographs of boring (ordinary) things can be beautiful to look at. I think we're just so used to many of the fruit and other food photos that are usually very simple, on a white background. But that's just my opinion. :) upstateNYer04:53, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Prominent in Gross article and he was a prominent painter. Shows a particular style of painting (Eakins was an intriguing artist and Gross an intrigueing guy). (When we have photos like this, I don't just rate them on the quality of the photo duplication, but of the artwork itself, since this is really what reader sees.)TCO (Reviews needed) 16:57, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I want to support, but this is a very large painting; I'm concerned about losing details on this relatively small reproduction. (As an aside, I most certainly do not rate these images on the quality of the artwork. I am not an art critic, and I have no right to declare what is and is not art worthy of note. This is art worthy of note, whether I happen to like it or not. I would hope other reviewers respect our various policies, guidelines and criteria by doing the same.) J Milburn (talk) 02:06, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I have knowledge of the topic and this is an extremely noteworthy painting that you would see in Janson or the like. It is basically "the" painting for this artist and for this school. As such, this makes it a good illustration for an article. Conversely, if we had picked one of his obscure, not appreciated, paintings, it would not be a great illo for the article.TCO (Reviews needed) 02:11, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I have no doubt that that is the case. Regardless, we should not be judging "the artwork itself"; if reputed art critics have discussed the piece in publications, then we should not be declaring it "unworthy", regardless of our own opinions. J Milburn (talk) 02:32, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
OK, OK. Famous art critics back me up. Well referenced Wiki article: "He is widely acknowledged to be one of the most important artists in American art history.[3][4]", "At 96 by 78 inches, The Gross Clinic is one of the artist's largest works, and considered by some to be his greatest."
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Original – The Hubble Space Telescope as seen from the departing Space Shuttle Atlantis, flying STS-125, upon completion of Hubble Space Telescope Servicing Mission 4.Alt1
Reason
Good picture, has EV, not a picture that is often found, or often taken.
P.s. What is the haze above the upper part of it? I see haze in other space shots too. Is that stars or Milky Way? -TCO
I've reformatted your vote as having that big picture in the middle of the page was very off-putting and confusing. I've put it as an Alt; not sure if you intended this, if not you can change that, but otherwise we don't just stick big random pics in the middle of the page as it confuses what people are meant to be assessing. --jjron (talk) 15:32, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Lots better layout! I was just trying to have discussion, not to disrupt. Srsly. ;-) I wasn't really proposing an alternate, but maybe interesting to let that horse run. I think I (and a common reader, really using the pic or an article writer choosing it) looks much more at framing and content and the like than just the technical aspects. Worry a little that we get so quick to the technical, we lose the step back and think about just how useful it is to illustrate. That said, my pic shows scale, but is a little confusing with the solar cells askew and the boom coming in. But the other one looks a bit like an aluminum foil wrapped trash can. Actually, I know this sounds "wrong", but in some ways the best pic might just be taken on earth (better conditions for shooting and can have scale and the like shown...of course it is not "in action" then). But I'm babbling. Anyhow, those are some thoughts. On the haze, I wonder if that is from "shooting through the window" of the orbiter? Or is there an external camera? I really see this haze a lot on space shots, if you look at the big version and it is strange.TCO (Reviews needed) 15:49, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I replaced the alt with a newer version (Original alt was from STS-103 in 1999. New alt is from STS-125 in 2009). I prefer the original myself. You can't really see the scale of Hubble to the space shuttle in the alt, as you can't see the full size of the shuttle for a good comparison. Dusty777 (talk) 17:09, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I might be more amenable to supporting the original if it had a better caption. (And captioning IS a formal criteria...and caption text is hugely important text...really helps connect the illo to what we should get out of it usefully in info.) Instead of telling us all this photographic trivia of when and how the photo was taken, tell us about the OBJECT. I assume the cylinder is sort of the barrel of the telescope and the thing that looks like an open mailpost door is like the lens cover...and then mention the solar cell ear looking things. And mention the periscope sticking out thingie (what is that).TCO (Reviews needed) 17:20, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
If you can find a place to find content to create a "better caption", feel free. If you will note, its a picture of the Hubble Space Telescope being released from Space Shuttle Atlantis, not a picture of the HST itself (if that makes any sense to you). Dusty777 (talk) 01:12, 9 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Major uses and sources of fluorine: click for links.
Reason
EV (supports major section in notable article headed to FAC). Illustrative value (helpful reference for discussion that would otherwise be confusing in terms of intermediates). Innovation (common in outside world, but I don't see industries shown this way in Wiki much). Collaboration/development (working with graphic helped write content and visa versa: pushed the quality of each as mistakes were found/fixed by the interaction).
Support with a possible amendment. Really nice summary of an important area of technology that is largely hidden from sight. Suggestion: the scheme defines "major uses" in kilograms, which is not the same as impact. It may be useful to remind readers that 25%? (TCO would know) of all pharmaceuticals contain F (and a lot of herbicides now too). I think that these compounds are made (via reagents) from HF, but the amounts in kg are probably tiny (even though some people seem to consume a lot of Prozac). One of our experts on pharmaceuticals is User:Edgar181. Also the scheme should have a year for which these data apply (2012, I guess). --Smokefoot (talk) 04:34, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Added year (2003) and volume clarification. I prefer to keep the pharma out of this one diagram since they are small in F volume and since, we treat them in a different section ("Biological aspects"). The diagram is like a header for a section (and drugs are in a different section). I will research that and improve pharma part too, though. P.s. I did follow up with Edgar (thanks)! P.s.s. SF4 is the agent for most pharma fluorinations (gentler fluorinator).TCO (Reviews needed) 04:56, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support While it isn't the most technical diagram, its simplicity and place in the article is invaluable to helping the reader visualize clearly what is being explained in the text. Fallschirmjäger✉11:47, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
One more thing - I could not divine the meaning of the arrow going down to "waste". The point being that only 1% of the F content of fluoroapatite is discarded? As what? Or is it left in the H3PO4 stream? --Smokefoot (talk) 13:57, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Added note to help explain this (agree with crit). P.s. It goes into phosphogypsum, but that product is too hazardous (not from F, but other nasties) to use in any gypsum uses so it is a total waste.TCO (Reviews needed) 14:23, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Could the default size be a little larger? Perhaps as large as it is here? Also, why "Fluorine Gas" and "Sulfur Hexafluoride"? Also, I'm concerned about the use of an image for what could perhaps using wikimarkup- that's an accessibility issue, and something about which comments are often made at the likes of FAC and GAC. (The same thing's true with tables, family trees and so on. If there's markup for it, then an image shouldn't be used, ideally.) J Milburn (talk) 15:25, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I do not support changing this to a table. You lose a lot of process flow insight. Also, this is not shown as a table in main reference (they use a similar arrow style diagram in the journal published article, although ours is much better laid out, really it is). Likelihood of changes or updates is very low (have to redo the whole thing really) and I don't want people editing the table values. In terms of access, the colors are discernabley different in black and white mode (although yellow-blue color blindness?) For totally blind people, I could "alt in" a table (I would not want to degrade the experience for sighted viewers so that would be the workaround), but really, I wonder about their reading experience with tables anyhow, since you can't scan by eye, but have to hear it all. (And, dim memory, I think I recall hearing that they hate tables because they hear a lot of syntax notes for all the formatting.) And they are missing details of photographic images also. And there is a fair amount of discussion in text related to the graphic (so they get the gist). That said, there is one blind reader, Johnbod and we could ask him if you want. I really think this is good though. I mean we could cut the whole thing...but then you are really just taking away from the sighted because the blind can't appreciate it.TCO (Reviews needed) 15:41, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I wouldn't want to change it to a table- I like the current formatting, I was just wondering if flow-charts could be achieved in wikimarkup. I'm not actually sure if they can, now I think about it... If they can't, then I'd be happy to support, provided this is accurate. J Milburn (talk) 16:07, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Could we shoehorn the caption (date of sources) into the image. Too often image reusers fail to note these details, leading to badly outdated charts with no way to notice that they aren't current. Rmhermen (talk) 23:36, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
For what it is worth, for the voters, there was thought put into each link (what the best article or section to send someone to). I don't know if it makes a difference in terms of original/new voting and all that, but the revised version is going into article! It's your only choice. ;) And the imagemap info is going into the commons version (another language would have to change the wikilinks, but at least we give them the coordinates. TCO (Reviews needed) 22:51, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The italic text is difficult to read in the article. I would suggest either increasing the font size or increasing the image size. Kaldari (talk) 06:19, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose basically with the all reasonings I had with the Manhattan Project clickable site map nomination. Are we voting for (1) just the diagram, (2) the super-dooper look-at-what-I-can-do image mapping, or (3) both as a single, functional entity? The nomination statement really should be clear about that. Whichever one it is, I'm not sure any are suitable for FP.
(1) The file is very basic, even though it may be entirely accurate and encyclopedic.
(2) There's nothing about image mapping that (to borrow wording from FAC/FLC) "exemplifies our very best work". TCO, you replied to me in the Manhattan Project nom that captions are a part of the WP:FP? even though they're not a part of the actual file. And yes, the code for mapping is also written into the article, but captions are a part of the criteria, and mapping isn't. Second, captions are supposed to be descriptive, and informative. That takes a bit of thought, but it's simple to produce an image map (I've done tons for Wikiproject Skyscrapers), especially with the Toolserver app. No special knowledge is needed; it's just a matter of clicking and selecting the correct coordinates, and when those coordinates are for oblongs it's an even easier process. Anyway, since an image map isn't a caption, the mapping has nothing to do with FPC.
(3) If we're supposed to review it as a functional entity, because of (2) I'm finding it difficult to do that. Also, the clickable links point to articles that are already Wikilinked within the article's prose, so where's the additional EV that the mapping gives the file?
Definitely we should be looking into using interactive images at Wikipedia, but at the Featured picture level at least, adding text to the article to achieve that isn't the way to go. Additionally, this particular type of mapping is a bit archaic now. Our blind users and their screenreaders come to a screeching halt when they hit the coding. There are newer ways of doing it where this doesn't happen and the folk at WT:ACCESS have more details on them, and it's those ways that, if we ever did include them as part of the FP?, should be highlighted instead. As J Milburn said at the Manhattan Project nom, the coding used here is not appropriate subject matter for FPC. Matthewedwards : Chat 19:03, 10 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I'm fine with the oppose. Not trying to sway you. But the links were added as an extra. I think the graphic was featurable before. It contains a huge amount of information and a thoughtful layout of it. And we tried to make it look clean with the lines and all. It's better than similar published diagrams in the line organization. I think of it as providing a lot of function and reference for text that would be "hard" without a graphic to refer to. Kind of different from a pretty picture illustration. But no biggie. I want to try things that are new to help Wiki (haven't seen anything like this in other industry or chemicals articles.TCO (Reviews needed) 19:11, 10 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Belated Oppose Missed the "deadline", but I thought I'd chime in anyway. I partly agree with Matthewedwards. This diagram isn't really our best work. It's pretty bare bones, not at all compelling, and frankly, it's not even particularly clear. It doesn't add much value to the article. There's an unexplained dashed line, and the arrows as a whole aren't really explained. Finally, this just doesn't compare to our current FP diagrams. Makeemlighter (talk) 15:51, 11 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I appreciate what has been said about about the image not being compelling and is basic but it isn't designed to be pretty, that's what Commons FP is for, should be based on it's EV. Fallschirmjäger✉21:02, 11 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
What's presented in the image is pure text. From a quick read of the article where the image is placed, it doesn't appear that it's really discussed in depth. From a WP:ACCESS perspective, for anyone who is blind or has images turned off this is a real problem because the encyclopedic information isn't available in any other form. It's not like this is a picture of a bird or a building or a piece of fruit where an ACCESS reader can "get by" without it, because the articles about those things should discuss their appearance. Matthewedwards : Chat 21:18, 12 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
(Still not trying to change your vote). Whole Industry section (and three subsections) is an arrangement of about 15 paragraphs expanding on each box and in a logical order. The amounts are shown, the conversion paths are shown. The relative importance (highes percent higher in drawing) is shown. Yeah...it doesn't have bells or whistles, but emphasis is on structure and on researched content. I did like the upgrades the reviewers made us do (notes, links, some nits, etc.)TCO (Reviews needed) 02:54, 13 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I will ask for a line break back (how it was originally). That or an arc "jumping" is the norm and pretty intuitive. The dashed line is non-standard in a process flow diagram. Words is way too clunky. See here for an example: (look to bottom right where the two liquids cross). TCO (Reviews needed) 18:09, 11 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: The image page calls this a late 15th century picture, yet the article leads with a 1520 image, which is calls the earliest known. J Milburn (talk) 12:58, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. The other image shown in article was painted from a painting that was an actual portrait (thus closer to a real depiction). This one looks very artistic, but is not in itself a famous work (enough to ahve an article) nor is it the best illustration of the subject. That said, hugely notable subject...TCO (Reviews needed) 02:22, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: It does strike me as rather odd that this picture does not feature on the Richard III article itself. Surely if this portrait were to be promoted, it should also go in the article of the person it is illustrating? Centy – reply • contribs – 23:37, 10 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Original – The Ruffe is a freshwater fish found in Europe. It has also been introduced to North America.
Reason
Understated, but still an excellent picture. Technically very strong, especially for an underwater photograph. This, I believe, would only be our second freshwater fish; the image is far stronger than the other, which was promoted over six years ago.
Comment Looks very good at full size, but not as much so when smaller (background to fish common color). Wish we had a good similar picture of a trout or the like, but I could not find one.TCO (Reviews needed) 02:24, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. The image page says this isn't used in any articles, but it is in the ruffe article. Having said which it, it only went in there on Jan 5 which isn't our 'rule of thumb' seven days. FWIW it was added with this edit, where the file name used is File:Kiisk.jpg. But when you click the image, this one loads. This is weird. --jjron (talk) 08:26, 7 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
OK, seems someone renamed it on Commons and File:Kiisk.jpg is now a redirect over there; don't think I've seen a file redirect like that before. I've changed the file use in the article. I guess this is why we wait a week. --jjron (talk) 08:29, 7 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
As I said. The problem was the redirect didn't show on the WP image page though, as it was happening on Commons. Interesting. Anyway, I've fixed it. --jjron (talk) 12:22, 7 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
This painting was not promoted in 2006 due to some technical problems. Since then, those problems have been fixed. From what I have seen while looking over some art history things, the colors are now true to the original painting. This is one of the great paintings of the romantic era and it the painter's most famous work. (He is an FA.)
Comment. I'm not particularly happy about having the source listed as "Unknown". Technically this may be out of copyright, but I'd be happier if we had some idea who did the reproduction, especially if it's actually from the Kunsthalle Hamburg. Would also give a bit more confidence that the colours are right this time. --jjron (talk) 08:16, 7 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The painting is 100% out of copyright worldwide. Even if you use the strictest copyright I know of (100 PMA), the copyright would have expired in 1940. I asked the uploader if they did the scan. I hope they get back to me. --Guerillero | My Talk08:32, 7 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I realise the painting itself is out of copyright, but the reproduction could be copyrighted, e.g., by the photographer. I'm not sure on the technicalities of that, or whether it varies from country to country. J Milburn may be able to advise. Regardless, knowing the source is good. --jjron (talk) 12:20, 7 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Wikimedia doesn't follow that convention, if the original 2D art is out of copyright, any faithful reproduction of, according to US law, can't be copyrighted. Wikimedia follows this law, and does NOT accept copyright claims, like in the UK, where they grant copyright to the digitizer. There is PLENTY of examples around to testify to this wiki-wide policy, see National Portrait Gallery and Wikimedia Foundation copyright dispute and all the relevant pages at Commons for this event. So to put it simply, if the painting is out of copyright, as the case here, then this image is 100% public domain as far as wikipedia and wikimedia is concerned. — raekyt13:31, 7 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Exactly. A difference between US and British copyright laws which has lead to issues in the past; however, policy is indeed that this is PD. Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:52, 7 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: This image most certainly is PD, as far as the Wikimedia Foundation is concerned, but having completely unknown sourcing is not a good thing. I would support as soon as the sourcing issue was resolved. J Milburn (talk) 15:13, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Original – Fisherman and his catch, Seychelles. The fishes in this catch, including small sharks, were hooked on hand lines many miles off shore. Taken in early 1970's.
Reason
High resolution, valuable illustration of a non-stereotypical fisherman, public domain, an appropriate visual accompaniment to the article Fisherman, no inappropriate manipulation.
Personally I find this image beautifully composed and of sufficient technical quality. Possible gripes could be its boosted saturation or obvious dodging near the legs. I believe that the cultural and historical significance (caught by hand lines) of this image should outweigh these blemishes, which might be easily corrected in Photoshop. Other opinions?
I'm new to this, please point out any technical mistakes in this post :)
Regretful Oppose Could be very good if re-shot. As it is, the image was overexposed originally, and Photoshop can't correct more than small mistakes without major quality loss. Very interesting subject, but the lighting/color is too poor. Clegs (talk) 06:02, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Original – Original film poster for the 1962 Mutiny on the Bounty
Reason
Well, after the previous successful film poster nomination I decided to look for high quality, inarguably PD movie posters (i.e. American posters from before 1977 with no copyright notice). I've found several, which I will be nominating here. This beauty is from the 1962 film Mutiny on the Bounty, starring Marlon Brando, Richard Harris, and Trevor Howard.
Oppose (composition). Not meant to be malicious. I totally support you grabbing film posters...is a big boon to Wiki. And I want people to have lots of stars. I don't begrudge that and appreciate the work to go after them. Just being critical, sorry. That poster is not as useful an illustration because of the very detailed crowd scene at the bottom (I'm not crazy about a two-panel view itself either, but especially the small faces in crowd). In comparison, the previous awarded poster was simpler and clearer. The non-free cover art from the Nordhoff book (see article) is also very well composed. That little boat...being sent away from the big ship. What an image and one that makes us feel the story.TCO (Reviews needed) 15:40, 7 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The EV is not for the story itself, but for the film. The only way you could have higher EV for the film is to have the film itself. An original poster is good enough EV for the film it represents. As for its design, that is their creative choice (like the below nomination). As an aside, I was actually considering this poster for another film as well, but I'd only be able to give it a weak support due to its size; it has a much simpler composition. Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:48, 7 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
It is an illo crit more than an EV one. It may not be possible to have an FP for every film if the only artworks produced were poor compositionally. Given this is not a famous artwork on its own, I rate it by how well it illos the film. If one of us had made that poster, I would have the same crits about composition.TCO (Reviews needed) 15:53, 7 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
When it comes to faithful reproductions of movie posters, paintings, or any 2D artwork, as for a FP candidate you shouldn't judge the quality of the painting/poster as much as the restoration/scan of the artwork. If the movie is notable enough to have an article than the poster that promoted that movie, even a poorly done poster, has about the maximum amount of EV possible for the article. For the high technical standards part of the criteria that is where you judge the restoration/scan quality NOT the original artworks quality. This is again one of those exceptions to our normal rules. — raekyt09:55, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Original – The original film poster for Billy Rose's Jumbo
Reason
Well, after the previous successful film poster nomination I decided to look for high quality, inarguably PD movie posters (i.e. American posters from before 1977 with no copyright notice). I've found several, which I will be nominating here. This one is admittedly my favourite due to its somewhat cartoonish design. It is for the 1962 film Billy Rose's Jumbo, starring Jimmy Durante, Doris Day, Martha Raye, and Stephen Boyd.
Weak Support I feel a movie poster should be far larger than this, but the scan appears clean and this is extremely relevant for the article of the film. — raekyt09:51, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I'd upload a colour-balance edit, but right now my main internet connection is acting up and the one I'm on compresses the ever loving **** out of files... I just downloaded the file and it came out at 700kb... Crisco 1492 (talk) 17:24, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep in mind not all paper is white.... it's possible this is a more accurate color than if you balanced it to make the paper white white... — raekyt23:08, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
not even related, modern paper is mostly white, but paper from that time, specifically probably cheaper paper used on movie posters at that time, could be far more off-white. Highly white paper at that time I suspect was a lot more expensive than it is now. I would say without better evidence the scan may be more closer to actual color of the original and should be trusted over attempting to try to "fix" it without any knowledge of what the original looks like. — raekyt17:57, 9 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Original – Advertorial poster for Mutiny on the Bounty (1935)
Reason
Well, after the previous successful film poster nomination I decided to look for high quality, inarguably PD movie posters (i.e. American posters from before 1977 with no copyright notice). I've found several, which I will be nominating here. This gorgeously coloured advertorial poster is for the 1935 film Mutiny on the Bounty, starring Charles Laughton and Clark Gable.
Oppose - The "fixing" of the tears in the original has left some distracting blend lines at the top of the image (above the green-guy hanging out in the rigging)... Additionally, there appear to be some heavy JPG artifacts around the "Amazing Facts" box in the bottom right (which are not present in this cut-down scan). Lastly, the image should be straightened and the black border should be removed. Nikthestoned15:51, 9 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Most likely out of focus foliage, but that one at bottom right looks seriously strange to be sure (rather like a paint splodge). --jjron (talk) 16:45, 9 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose (regretful) It's a beautiful picture. The composition, the colors, its all very impressive. The log (or branch, or whatever it is) and the foliage is badly out of focus. That destroys the whole left side of the picture because it is too distracting. Dusty777 (talk) 16:40, 11 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Regretful Oppose per Dusty; gorgeous picture, but distracting focus: at my first glance, I always think it's a really bad job of selective blurring from Picnik. Clegs (talk) 11:06, 14 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The painted concrete where the birds are roosting and the mealworm, which does not form part of the bird's standard diet detract from the EV. Lycaon (talk) 12:43, 16 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Original – Fairy Tern (Sterna nereis), Little Swanport, Tasmania, Australia
Reason
This is the only image on Wikimedia Commons of this species. The photo was taken hand held in waist-deep salt water as it was the only way I could approach with the sun on the right side. Fairy Terns are classified as Vulnerable in most states of Australia. For those familiar they are about half the size of a Crested Tern.
Conditional support - can you confirm that its eye is meant to be entirely black? Almost looks like a red-eye fix...? --Fir000209:51, 10 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I can, it is that way in my field guides and other online photos too and I haven't done anything post processing wise to it. I remember having to take lots of shots so I could get one with the head tilted up enough to get a decent catch light - the eye was very indistinct without it. Crested Tern, Caspian Tern etc have the same issues with black eyes in breeding plumage. JJ Harrison (talk) 10:36, 10 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Not far off salad - it is sea lettuce after all. I decided to nominate this one since I managed to get closer and there is a significant resolution increase. JJ Harrison (talk) 01:15, 12 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Photo has high encyclopedic value, is currently the lead image in high profile articles President of the United States and Barack Obama, and is a clear large image. This photo's nomination for Featured Picture is NOT about Barack Obama's performance as president. This nomination is about the encyclopedic value and quality of the photo.
Oppose while the current FP of Obama still stands; this offers little that the other does not. I would potentially be open to a delist/replace nom, seeing as this one has pride of place, while the other does not. J Milburn (talk) 11:25, 10 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment While the bill lobe is shown nicely in your capture, I'm a little disappointed that neither of your images (male or female) gives as much plumage detail as the Alt by Mdekool (which has other minor problems, but I feel a good overall production for this species should be possible). Papa Lima Whiskey 2 (talk) 11:54, 11 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Good quality, well composed image of a notable Melbourne building, comparable to many similar FPs. Possibly about as good as composition as it's possible to get in order to include as much of the building as possible, and it give a sense of place in the surrounding gardens.
Comment Overall pretty good and and a great addition to many articles. I like having some people around providing a sense of scale and the light is good. On the down side there is some minor red CA all over the image (in particular columns, and building edges), and there is a car in the middle, obscuring the entrance. --Elekhh (talk) 00:58, 12 January 2012 (UTC).[reply]
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Original – Australian comedian and TV personality Brian Nankervis during a live performance in MelbourneAlt – Tighter crop (perhaps works better in infobox)Edit Masked noise reduction on background of original
Reason
High quality image of an entertainer actually performing. We have very few such images featured, most are posed portraits. Unlike many studio portraits, this shows some genuine personality. Previously unillustrated article.
Not sure if it's a Roll of Honour or just a regular Honour board. Not really sure why it's unfortunate though regardless. --jjron (talk) 16:08, 12 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Not really that great of a picture. Its noisy, his hand is out of focus... Its just not that great of a picture of him overall. Dusty777 (talk) 16:29, 11 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Oppose. Although it has good EV due to being a Rembrandt, it is not an especially striking artwork. Although the forms are evocative, the execution is little more than a sketch, especially on the right half of the etching. I would rather see something like File:Rembrandt self portrait.jpg featured. Kaldari (talk) 05:22, 12 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I can't add much to what Crisco said above- we're here to judge the quality of the image (in this case, the quality of the reproduction) not the quality of the content. It's the same philosophy that allows any subject to reach FA status; MissingNo, episodes of The Simpsons, musical albums that did not chart. However, in this case, I'd like to see more info on the image page- one of those boxes which is often added to fine art (detailing the media, artist, dimensions and so on) would be a good start. J Milburn (talk) 18:15, 12 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support, now the info's been added. Sufficiently high resolution to see all the details, clear EV in the article on this piece. Our own opinions on the piece's artistic merit are irrelevant when we have reliable sources discussing it; equally, I wouldn't oppose pictures of supermodels who I happened to consider unattractive or buildings which I happened to consider poorly designed. I don't much care for certain genres of art (I'm generally not interested in the Young British Artists or graffiti) but that doesn't mean that I'm going to oppose nominations of notable pieces used in a way that gives them clear EV. That would be awful. J Milburn (talk) 10:51, 13 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Note: The article appears on the article of Parque del Este, but that page is rather poor in english, so I added the link to the article in spanish too. It also appears in the article of Caracas but don't think it counts since it was added 2 days ago. If I have to renominate later, no problem.
Comment No problem. Even though I still think the article of Caracas could really use images like this one, since the ones it has don't have good quality. This park is also a very very important landmark of the city, it is huge. --Paolo Costa16:18, 13 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed lots of crap there, but what really matters is if the park is more significant than the other parts of the city illustrated in the article. I don't know Caracas, but I would imagine that is more important than this green space. --Elekhh (talk) 09:14, 14 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support very good EV for Parque del Este and nice image. Indeed two years ago it was expected that articles are more substantial, but recently I saw many images promoted while illustrating stubs, so it wouldn't be fair to abstain on that ground. --Elekhh (talk) 09:14, 14 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Can't tell where the focus is, possibly due to jpeg artifacting or excessive noise reduction? Looks heavily processed at full size. Good EV, but the image quality is pretty poor. Clegs (talk) 10:46, 14 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Clegs: if you ask me this really: "Can't tell where the focus is" then here my answers: except for the foreground, "simply all"! Do you read my comments? It is a 300mm telephoto shoot in a hot, very shimmering and dusty air! --Alchemist-hp (talk) 11:25, 14 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Aaadddaaammm, an honest (oppose) opinion is OK for me. You don't need to say "sorry", but think about my image description too. This is a typical view of the Etosha pan: a big dry, hot, and empty area. Take also a look to the geo tag on Google maps. --Alchemist-hp (talk) 01:31, 15 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I like it. Agree that the image at fullsize possibly looks processed and low DOF, but I've seen this effect myself in these type of conditions so will accept Alchemist's description - this actually portrays it quite well. There does look to be some mild artifacting, mainly in the sky, so not sure if it would be worth reprocessing. The other downer is that at article size it loses a bit of punch, and as fourth image down, it gets a bit lost in there. --jjron (talk) 15:37, 15 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support The photo gives a good idea of what it the pan looks like from the ground. I think telephoto lenses are underused in landscape photography. The heat haze is to be expected - I can't get a sharp shot at any distance in many situations once things hit 20 degrees with my 500mm here. JJ Harrison (talk) 01:14, 16 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Oppose Kinda strange that I'm going to completely contradict Clegs but still oppose. I really think it's a good photo, but I can't really tell what it is I'm looking at; the foreground is really all one sees, not the salt pan. Really hurts the EV IMHO. -RunningOnBrains(talk)08:17, 17 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I this is indeed probably the best way to represent the subject. It is the contrast between foreground and background that gives the image its effectiveness, so, though the photographer could have stood on higher ground and filled the frame with nothing but salt and sky, this seems better both as a representation of the landscape and as a photograph. As for Alchemist's winking reference to Gursky: print it in full clarity at 11 feet wide and we'll talk. Chick Bowen03:20, 18 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Per above. It's not a direct picture of the salt pan, and yet it is not a direct picture of the foreground? The main subject being in the background and badly out of focus does not seem to me to have much EV. Dusty777 (talk) 19:20, 19 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The image is not conclusive. One could earnestly mistake if for a cliff and the salt pan to be the clouds. Plus there is the OOF thingie, can't really see where the focus lies. Hariya1234 (talk) 03:47, 23 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
In a previous nomination, there was an edit introduced that didn't have much time to reach a consensus. As the edit has replaced to formerly nominated image, I think we should have another look at this.
Our personal taste in the art style in something such as a movie poster or artwork should generally not be considered, but the quality of the reproduction. The reason being that the EV is derived from its representation of the subject of an article (in this case, Plan 9... below, an etching by Rembrandt). Posters such as that at Deep Throat have some of the highest EV possible for the film. Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:03, 15 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support Nice reproduction and high EV (never heard of the film but this picture sums up without the need for even reading the earticle just jow terrible it must have been).GodEmperorTalk17:43, 22 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Original – Venenciadora using a venencia to pour Sherry into a copita
Reason
Technical details first: it's over 1,000 pixels wide, it's not fair use and I don't think it's been photoshopped (2, 4, 8). I would argue that it passes (1) as the lady is in focus and I can't detect any graininess. I feel that it both represents an aspect of Sherry people might not have been aware of otherwise (5) and is striking (3). I think the caption is succinct for (7), but there's more metadata at the original that could be added. I must confess I don't really understand what you mean by (6).
Question Is there any reason for the black and white? Have you considered asking the author for a colour copy? (6) is more applicable to diagrams and stuff, which need references. JJ Harrison (talk) 05:13, 16 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose just to get a vote on this. Significant artifacting through overcompression, harsh flash - the unnecessary b&w is indeed 'masking' a number of flaws that would be more apparent in colour. --jjron (talk) 03:07, 22 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I concur with the points jjron made. Also, the image lacks the proper context in the article, as we don't have much understanding of what a venenciadora is. A shame about these points though, it is otherwise a nice submission for FP. Jujutaculartalk13:46, 24 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Its an alright picture... Kinda looks like someone just pointed a camera and took the picture (Snapshot-ish). Its blurry in spots, and its out of focus. Not the best picture to represent the Egyptian Revolution. Dusty777 (talk) 16:23, 16 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Very soft, very titled, inexplicably saved as a PNG. I could be convinced if this had particularly high EV, as I recognise that this is a photo of a unique historical event, but I do suspect that this was a very heavily photographed event. J Milburn (talk) 21:58, 16 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. The image softness is evident from the thumbnail. Lacking in contrast and not sure about the white balance - looks kind of bluish to me. Did a quick search for images of Tahrir square on wikipedia and saw several better images in my opinion GodEmperorTalk22:26, 20 January 2012 (UTC).[reply]
I honestly spent days going through picture of Tahrir Square during the first 18 days of the uprising and this photo in my opinion is the best pgoto we can find on wiki at the moment. If you think or saw a better picture, please feel free so share them with me here. The image has some issues but keep in mind the circumstances that was surrounding the photographers around that time. -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 07:52, 21 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support. Rotation necessary, but as sufficient resolution is being provided, the blurriness does not, imo, bar this from being promoted. Possibility of full support after making the appropriate correction. I looked at the alternatives, and this one does stand out on aesthetic grounds, when the information conveyed seems to be about the same. This one also wins on resolution against the half dozen or so others I've seen. Papa Lima Whiskey 2 (talk) 14:57, 17 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Blurry. Good EV, but not done technically well enough.
Response: Upon checking, it actually IS in the article, the lede image actually. When I initiated this nomination, I used the "File usage" section on the main image page to see what articles the image was used in. This is actually just a cropped and far less blurry image of the one in the lede. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 22:54, 16 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Which means it's NOT in the article. If you want to claim it is in articles, then it has to be this image, not a considerably different version of it. To claim it you'd need to replace its uncropped blurry cousin with this one. --jjron (talk) 15:36, 17 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Voting period ends on 27 Jan 2012 at 16:44:07 (UTC)
Original – A mushroom cloud over 20,000 feet (6,100 m) towers over the Japanese city of Hiroshima after the dropping of the "Little Boy" Atomic bomb on August 6th, 1945. The bomb, dropped by Enola Gay, a Boeing B-29 Super-fortress, exploded with the energy of between 13-18 kilotons of TNT.Alt. 1 - Retouched
Reason
Has excellent encyclopedic value, high resolution and a good caption. (Not the best as far as quality goes, but how good the quality is doesn't surpass the EV.)
Comment The nominated picture was very widely redistributed, people recognize it and know exactly what it is before without thinking twice. I think it best represents the event over other less recognizable photos no matter how impressive they or iconic they may be (I am not trying to be negative, there is just not another way to word it. No offense intended). Dusty777 (talk) 19:10, 19 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I have never seen this photo before. All of the books and textbooks that include pictures of atomic explosions use the Nagasaki image. That's what makes the other image so iconic. --Guerillero | My Talk01:11, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose the photo is grany and of a fairly low quality. The visual concerns have not been eclipsed by arguments that the photo is iconic or well know in its present form --Guerillero | My Talk01:11, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I will grant you that the picture is grainy and is of a fairly low quality, but you have to remember that you cant judge a picture taken nearly 70 years ago according to today's standards. It is also good to consider the encyclopedic value of the picture. This bomb ushered in the atomic age, and it was the worlds first nuclear bomb used in warfare. It was an important moment in world history. The other picture (most kindly provided by Brandmeister) is impressive.... But it is of no better quality then the current nominated picture, nor is the current FP of the Nagasaki bomb of any better quality (yet it's a featured picture). Dusty777 (talk) 03:15, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support I don't know why this image is not considered for FP. It is one of the most important landmarks in human history and I don't think we can find any better image because at that time photographs couldn't have been any better. Hariya1234 (talk) 05:13, 24 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Voting period ends on 27 Jan 2012 at 02:40:08 (UTC)
Original – Buller's Albatross (Thalassarche bulleri) with a Short-tailed Shearwater (Puffinus tenuirostris) behind, East of the Tasman Peninsula, Tasmania, Australia
Reason
This image shows the plumage of the face and underwing well, and the Short-tailed Shearwater just behind gives some sense of scale. Shooting in the swell and dim light conditions was challenging, and I had to endure seasickness for most of this trip, probably exacerbated by 4 hours sleep the night before! I think this is a particularly attractive albatross species, and it is one that I've had my eye on for quite a while.
Support, nice composition. Can see the full bird and its namesakes small tail in is oceanic environment. Would be nicer if it could be tweaked a bit to give it great contrast and make things stand out a bit more though. --Discott (talk) 14:44, 24 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I'd be happier if a bit was cropped off the right though; the albatross looks a bit off-centre. Also, maybe less saturation increase is necessary, or even none at all if it was already that vibrant. GodEmperorTalk16:31, 22 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Original – Red-necked Stint (Calidris ruficollis) winter plumage, Marion Bay, Tasmania, Australia
Reason
I'm still not sure why a big flock (~80) of these stint allowed me to approach so closely whilst feeding without being bothered. They have always been much shyer on other attempts. I guess they were hungry after a long migration. It was a cool experience anyway. This shot has good lighting, great detail and a nice perspective.
Well, to be fair, the existing one shows roughly half of one foot, rather than 'showing the feet'. I didn't see that as much advantage given the other pluses with this one. --jjron (talk) 03:24, 18 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
And given you opposed the original for far more detailed reasons, I thought you could have told us anyway (note: I'm assuming you're the same user as User:Papa Lima Whiskey; if not, my apologies, but on the contrary, if not then you shouldn't be using such a similar username). --jjron (talk) 13:03, 19 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
As far as the feet in water, the first words of the article are: "The Red-necked Stint (Calidris ruficollis) is a small migratory wader.", FWIW. JJ Harrison (talk) 08:05, 22 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nothing stops us from improving on any of the current FPs. The question isn't necessarily how this photo could be perfected, merely whether it's satisfactory as it is. Ðiliff«»(Talk)15:58, 23 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support. As usual, easily good enough for FP. Not bothered at all by the cut off feet (unless it's shown that the feet are important for identification) as it's taken in what appears to be its natural environment. Ðiliff«»(Talk) 13:17, 23 January 2012 (UTC
Support - yeah, animals very seldom concern themselves with showing the photographer their entire bodies in the wild. The goal should be a high-quality and accurate representation of what the bird actually does. Juliancolton (talk) 16:37, 27 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Original – Mark Satin (far left) counseling draft-age Americans at Canada's largest draft-dodger assistance organization, Toronto, August 1967
Reason
Good quality, well composed image. Strong encyclopedic value (EV). Meshes perfectly with the draft-dodger sub-sections of the Mark Satin biography on Wikipedia.
Support as nominator - I was there, and this photo beautifully evokes the feel of that place and time - the dank and crowded and bunker-like "inner" counseling room at the anti-draft office in the middle of Toronto, the intense young people trying to be calm and rational but really feeling bewildered and alone. It provides a rare peek into a vastly undereported-upon episode in American military (and civilian) history. -Babel41 (talk) 06:37, 16 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support Not wonderful technically (the upper edge of the photo seems a bit hazy), but more than made up for by an excellent composition and strong EV. Nick-D (talk) 10:19, 17 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support. EV is strong, I'd say, in response to Spikebrennan--the tension in the photograph is between Satin and the mustachioed man opposite. This is a good example of documentary photography. Chick Bowen03:14, 18 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I appreciate the composition, and the mood of the photograph, but technically I don't think it's at a high enough standard, even for 1967. Aaadddaaammm (talk) 15:41, 22 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support as creator: This was one of the first photos that I took after arriving in Toronto from the Washington, D.C area. John Phillips (just at the edge of the photo) and I were newly married (I was age 19 and John was 21. We were seeking information about immigrating to Canada. Had Cancer not taken John from us, I think he would have liked to have seen the photo used.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Laurawrites (talk • contribs) 03:06, 24 January 2012 (UTC)}}[reply]
Note from nominator: I e-mailed Laura Jones in Toronto to let her know that I put her photo up here, and she immediately responded with the support statement above. She is not an experienced Wikipedia user - I had to splice her statement from out of the photo caption and move it to this spot. I then spliced in her username from out of this photo's history page. Btw, Laura is a professional photographer - within a year of emigrating to Canada, she and John founded Toronto's Baldwin Street Gallery of photography, which they ran for many decades. - Babel41 (talk) 04:15, 24 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
"Support" A powerful image. I feel the intensity of that moment. Trying for safety, for right, for life.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.116.140.129 (talk • contribs) 06:27, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
Support. This photo is a wonderful time capsule. I wasn't there and yet you feel like that 6th person sitting in the room. Powerful and spontaneous.--Suzannealesha (talk) 04:37, 24 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support. EV. I thought I knew about that journey, but wasn't aware of the counseling given to these young men. It certainly shows the tension as they faced making an enormous and painful decision to leave their country - in John's case, and many others, because of their principles or religious beliefs (some draft boards made it very difficult to get conscientious objector status). Lindakp (talk) 18:26, 24 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Original – Lina Rafn performing at danish awardshow 2007
Reason
I believe I got a good shot of the artist. She's in a very relevant situation (she's a singer) and lights are pleasant. Recently nominated but not promoted mainly due to low resolution. High res now uploaded.
Support Plane of focus is through the important part ;) But seriously, this is one of the best pictures of a singer we have. Not enough good action shots of entertainers, IMHO. -RunningOnBrains(talk)08:07, 17 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support -- I'm not particularly crazy about the lighting, but it looks good to me and (considering it's an action shot) I don't mind the hand. Are we sure it's her? I don't want the Ebony Bones fiasco to happen again. Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:25, 24 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support Beautiful old photo. If this photo was taken in 1910, the plant would have been recently acquired by GM. In which case, should it still be referred to as "Olds Motor Works" in the caption? Fallingmasonry (talk) 01:11, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
If you look closely in the right half of the image, you'll see a sign... "OLD(S?) MOTOR". There are also a few speed limit signs that say "O. M. Wks." The article suggests it was, and remained the "Olds Motor Works" until some (unspecified) time later when it was know as "Lansing Car Assembly - Chassis Plant". Olds Motor Works works for me. – JBarta (talk) 21:04, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Original – A Rüppell's Vulture (Gyps rueppellii), taken in London Zoo.
Reason
A high resolution image with the vulture in a side-on, no-nonsense pose and illuminated by a narrow area of light, making it stand out against the background.
Neutral. I'm not keen on wildlife photos when they're taken in captivity, zoos, safari parks etc. From a read of the article, these birds are prevalent in the African desert. It doesn't look like it's in anything close to its natural habitat here. So it seems false, and the EV goes down for me. Matthewedwards : Chat 03:44, 23 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Original – The USS Arizona (BB-39) burning after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, 7 December 1941. Compare with File:USSArizona PearlHarbor 2.jpgThe currently featured picture.
Reason
Another version is already an FP, I believe this version has better quality.
Comment. This should definitely be a delist/replace nomination. However, I don't to see that much difference between the two versions. The old version has some dust issues but might have more detail. O.J. (talk) 02:21, 22 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Where exactly the current FP has more details than this edit? I might be able to fix it, the edited version has only lost some clouds, but the ship itself has better details IMO. ■ MMXX talk23:17, 22 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep for now (or Oppose if you like)Neutral now based on new edit. Each has some advantages. However, to me the newly offered edit appears to have undergone either considerable cloning or aggressive noise reduction in the sky (perhaps a bit of both), and significant sharpening and contrast adjustment on the lower part to bring out more details (sorry, the image page does say it's been retouched, but it doesn't say what's been done, so I'm having to make some guesses). While that work has succeeded in bringing out some details better, it has also brought out a lot of extra noise/grain and artifacting in the smoke clouds and importantly on the ship itself (increased artifacting could be a side effect of the saving technique too). The work done on the sky has also been overdone in my opinion, making it look unnatural with too much loss of texture that's there in the other version (especially the smoke plumes in the top left-hand corner, but not just there). I appreciate the work put in, but for now I'd personally say stick with the existing one. --jjron (talk) 15:06, 23 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your comment, I've uploaded a new version over the edited file, this time I've kept the sky and the sea untouched by masking them, also I tried to reduce the noise/grain problem on the ship. ■ MMXX talk01:35, 24 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The new version of the edit (or new Original in terms of this nom) is indeed an improvement on the original edit. I haven't quite decided yet whether it's enough to Support the Replace or not, but I'll change my !vote to Neutral. --jjron (talk) 04:46, 25 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I'm inclined to agree with Brandmeister; an ad for a mobile phone is not an ideal illustration of a girl group. The alternative would surely be preferable. Can I ask why the phone one was chosen over the other? J Milburn (talk) 12:37, 21 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
PS. I like the alt but I really think the image page should be Englishfied and the band members pictured actually named (same goes for Original actually). --jjron (talk) 13:56, 21 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Great comments, and I agree the alternate would be superior, although, since they are really two different pictures (different FP categories, that is), I should probably submit the alternate as a separate FPC. Before I do so, should anything be done regarding the file name? I don't see anything on Wikipedia:Image file names regarding non-English names; plus, the image originates from Commons. —Eustresstalk14:22, 21 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I seem to remember something from somewhere about names that at least used the standard keyboard character set being preferred, whether or not that was in English I can't remember, but for uswiki it probably is - the third sentence in your linked page says "It is helpful to other contributors and for maintenance of the encyclopedia if images have descriptive or at least readable file names", which seems to somewhat address that point. I tweaked the file description in the Alt, but it needs more, and I gave up on trying to name the girls after getting a couple; someone who knows them would really have to do it. BTW, I don't really get your argument about the two different FP Categories - why is that so? --jjron (talk) 16:13, 21 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The alternate pic seems to capture people rather than a culture (advertising phones created in their patria), so wouldn't a more appropriate FP cat for the alt pic be People/Entertainment? Also, these two pictures are utilized on different articles, so I still think a separate FPC would be appropriate. Please advise. —Eustresstalk16:41, 21 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
FYI, I've submitted a request on Commons for the alternate image to be renamed. I recommend we focus this FPC on the original and am removing the alternate from view to avoid confusion, but feel free to restore if that is inappropriate. —Eustresstalk18:05, 21 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, OK, I rather assumed the first one was mainly being used to illustrate the girls/band as well, I didn't quite get that you were nominating as a representation of the 'culture' instead. I guess an advertisement could be considered part of culture; we've got more historical advertising images such as this, and this featured I suppose, so yeah, I guess you could argue that way. Perhaps speaking against that is that both in your list of articles, and in terms of article prominence, this is more prominent in the article on the band than the LG articles. OK, it's your nom, so I'm happy for you to decide which way you want it to go. --jjron (talk) 01:37, 22 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I must say that I also misunderstood here. I thought that this was being put forward as an ideal image of the girl band. (And I realise this one was nominated because of its article use, Jjron; I meant to ask why this one was chosen to go in the article!) J Milburn (talk) 11:04, 22 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
This one has been around for over six months, the other one only got uploaded a few days ago. I guess that may explain it. --jjron (talk) 03:28, 23 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Just thought I'd mention that this picture was denied promotion last time it was nominated because it as an atypical example of the species, having an unhealthy skin discoloration (possibly due to some sort of disease or parasite). GodEmperorTalk10:22, 22 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. It's not a stunning picture (lowish res, tight crop, some noise) and, combined with the fact that this specimen is clearly diseased in some way (and therefore atypical, lowering the EV), leads me to believe that this is not FP material. J Milburn (talk) 11:00, 22 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Original – A wild grey heron (Ardea cinerea) in London Zoo.Alt - alternate crop with less space above the headAlt 2. Less distracting background and wider crop.Alt 3 Edit as above made from orignal RAW file, and greater resolution than all previous.
Reason
A sharp image of a healthy specimen that's had an easy life stealing fish from the penguin pool at London Zoo. The close crop shows details in the plumage that would be less visible in a full body shot.
I thought it would make a good portrait because the plumage detail was indeed nice, but I looked at the article and saw that 1) would be better with erect neck IMO 2) there's much more important plumage detail in wings and features that are not visible in this image. Otherwise good, and eyes are pleasing. ZooFari (talk) 07:33, 23 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral. Very good photo and good quality, but as per Zoofari's comment I was actually a little confused when I went to the article due to the contracted neck; I thought you'd got the bird wrong for a while, suspecting it may have been some type of kingfisher. IMO that compromises EV a little too much. I guess you could argue this is actually good for EV as it shows the bird can have the neck either contracted or extended, but the extended neck seems more typical. So at the moment I'm sitting on the fence, but thought I would at least add a positive comment and give some food for thought. --jjron (talk) 04:41, 25 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support. We've promoted portraits of birds before. And as for the neck erect versus contracted, both are typical poses for any heron, and neither is more "encyclopaedic" than the other, in fact herons flying do so with contracted necks (this is a diagnostic feature) so as a rational for opposing it makes no sense. Sabine's Sunbirdtalk00:59, 27 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Oppose It's pretty good and the neck isn't a problem for me (contracted position has EV and anyway some herons do in fact have "short" necks: eg the Nankeen Night Heron). However compositionally it doesn't quite work for me as it's cropped too tight to the tip of the beak IMO --Fir000204:34, 27 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - composition leaves a bit to be desired. Background makes it look like the bird was shot in front of a green-screen, and I don't like that the beak almost bleeds off-frame. Juliancolton (talk) 16:39, 27 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Added Alt 3. This is similar to the edit that O.J. did, but made to the original RAW file. There was actually space to the right of the beak in the original, but I cropped it out because I was set on making it a standard 16:9 aspect ratio for some reason. I also sharpened it a bit better, which allowed me to reduce the size to 2/3 of the original rather than to 1/2. I did my best to make the colours and saturation right, but working from a laptop with a really reflective screen here and having to bob my head up and down like an owl on speed due to the ridiculous viewing-angle dependence of the colour. GodEmperorTalk23:50, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose crop is too wide, and you can't see enough of the ship. Would like to see more of what's above deck and a more side-on view. It looks like this was taken from a dinghy. Matthewedwards : Chat 17:17, 22 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - I do quite like the image / composition but as per above the EV is lacking due to angle-of-shot / amount-of-visible-ship... Nikthestoned11:07, 23 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - I'm actually a fan of the composition. It differs from the typical eye-level view. My main concerns are the overexposure toward the right third of the frame and the relatively low-resolution... at high-res it does, indeed, look like just another ship. It'd be nice to have more detail of the equipment and recording instruments. Juliancolton (talk) 16:43, 27 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]