Support - Very nice photo. The flower itself is very clear. Does it matter that the background has no detail? Or is it better that way? It clearly makes the flower stand out more. - CorinneSD (talk) 00:53, 19 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support I notice a trend in this featured picture nomination process. Plant nominations only show the flower, which limits the EV as you are missing the bulk of the plant, and showing it at only a short time of the year. There is some bias, animal pictures showing only the head will get opposition, but it's ok for a plant. Nevertheless, a nice photograph. Mattximus (talk) 01:08, 20 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support - one can't see the flower well, when a picture shows the whole plant. These pictures with a close up flower are very necessary when studying botanic, witch I did, I can only say they are vital in illustrating any plant. The students even had an own name on this, they called this bloom-porn. Hafspajen (talk) 09:19, 20 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, limited EV. Only used in galleries. If this image had an article of its own, or was particularly important to illustrate something in an article, maybe- as is, no. J Milburn (talk) 23:25, 19 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose As per J Milburn. With a few special cases (artist only has 1 famous painting for example), I think there should be an article dedicated to the painting itself to be considered of EV. Change to Support due to creation of article Mattximus (talk) 01:04, 20 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
'Oh wow. **No** problem wringing an article on this. This is a charming little painting, an truly important work of the artist, a big painter's love and later wife, a lovely love story behind it and she just looks like a little nymph, come on now. Hafspajen (talk) 06:16, 20 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Article ready -- see link above. And as for the record, I don't think there should be an article dedicated to the each and every painting itself to be considered of EV. That is just going too far. A limited EV. Only used in galleries, as Milburn said, that's correct here. But there are plenty good paintings that are used in significant ways in many articles, and it should be quite enough. This one, with only in galleries, well, OK. But when a painting is used and adds to an article that IS EV. An own article as a standard requirement - no . We don't require that it should be an own article on photographs either. Hafspajen (talk) 08:50, 20 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Coment - this painting is an important painting of the artist's production. He himself thought to be one of the most important of his works. Why it not as equally well known as his other paintings is because he never sold it but keept it his entire life, and thus it was not as much potographed and published. It is depicting his wife. Hafspajen (talk) 11:53, 20 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Original – The Little Street (1657–58) by Johannes Vermeer (1632–75); The Rijksmuseum Amsterdam, who hold the piece, consider that it "occupies an exceptional place in Vermeer’s oeuvre". IM (not very) HO, I just think it's a fantastic painting!
Just out of curiosity, I see that if a scan of a painting is relegated to a large gallery at the bottom of a page, it's considered having low EV. What you are saying, is that the nominator can just create a stub with 1 sentence, post the image, and suddenly the EV is there? If so, I'll go with it, I'm just wondering for clarification purposes. Mattximus (talk) 14:42, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Just a minor correction: the image isn't in a gallery at the bottom, it's placed to the right at the top of the "Career" section. In relation to the article, it has to pass the WP:GNG threshold to have an article, which is part of the measure. - SchroCat (talk) 15:37, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
If you think someone is trying to game the system by doing so, then please AFD. That's why we have such processes. If a painting supports its own article (i.e. an article that would survive AFD), then it has EV. Period. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:13, 22 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment -- The painting has it's own article The Little Street AND it is a famous painting too. That should be an EV itself. The Little Street is a well known painting. Can't really understand this discussion above. Hafspajen (talk) 20:18, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - expanded the article a little so those who are unfamiliar about the importance of this artist's work can read about it. Though, mind - it was all in the refs already... It is the only known painting made by Johannes Vermeer outdoors and the only one that is correctly attributed to Vermeer .Hafspajen (talk) 14:26, 22 February 2015 (UTC).[reply]
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Original – A moustached man—dressed in white stockings, puffed breeches, and a red robe—props himself up with his left arm on a bed. His eyes are wide and his right hand raised, palm open towards the front. A suit of armour lays on the floor at the foot of his bed. Who is he? He is Richard III, King of England from 1483 to 1485
Reason
High resolution file, very EVish, Garrick as Richard III (1745) by William Hogarth. Have mercy, Jesu! Soft! I did but dream. O coward conscience, how dost thou afflict me! – The scene is Shakespeare's Richard III Act V, Sc. 3. David Garrick, the superstar of the Shakespearean drama - plays Richard III just before the Battle of Bosworth, where he will shout: A horse, a horse! My kingdom for a horse!
Weak oppose - Shame, but they used too much compression here too (also, is it just me, or does that one tassel look like it was digitally "restored"?). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:34, 1 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support - A busy background is par for the course for urban cycling. I'd have upped the ISO to 200 (or even 400; the noise is still manageable with a 60D) and frozen the action a bit more, but I can see why you chose not to. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:48, 20 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I think there are "good" busy backgrounds and bad ones, and that this one is particularly bad because of the guy in the bright orange vest who is so very unfortunately positioned right behind the cyclist's head, as well as the tube that seems to be coming out of his helmet. Personally I think the composition is awful (no offence to anyone) but I see that others do not agree. 86.136.150.74 (talk) 21:20, 22 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Agree with Crisco that a busy background is unavoidable in these situations. You're never going to avoid it in a city race. I took some similar images during the cycling at the 2012 Olympics and I know how difficult it is to get an image that is sharp, capturing the action well, and with perfect composition. These guys fly past at 40+ km/h and you are lucky if you can keep them in the frame consistently. I do agree with Crisco also that it might have been preferable to bump up the ISO to get a slightly sharper image instead of going for the panning motion blur, as that usually only works well when there's more blur than this. Ðiliff«»(Talk)09:01, 25 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Reason
High quality image, high EV. The first government issue of Trinidad and Tobago banknotes consisted of a one and two dollar denomination dated 1905.
Original
Trinidad and Tobago first government-issued series of banknotes. A one-dollar and two-dollar bill of 1905. Of the two varieties of $2 bill (solid red, and red with green overprint), the pictured type is prohibitively scarce.
Good point. I wasn't quite as happy with the $1 image (perhaps overcritical of the natural light folds creating brighter spots), but they are a natural set...--Godot13 (talk) 17:22, 20 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support - The folds are a bit strong, but we have to think realistically: what are the chances we're going to get two more high quality scans of such hundred-year-old notes? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:45, 20 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Original – Self portrait (1889), by Vincent van Gogh (1853–90); this is one of 43 self portraits by van Gogh; he would often paint himself because it was cheaper then paying for a model. The Musée d'Orsay, who hold the painting, note “The model's immobility contrasts with the undulating hair and beard, echoed and amplified in the hallucinatory arabesques of the background”, but I think the secret is in the rather haunted eyes.
Comment – I'm beginning to wonder if it's wise to select so many works of famous late 19th century Impressionists and Post-Impressionists as FPs. Of course one is a fan of Van Gogh and many others from the era, but I'm thinking it might be more interesting (and educational) to feature more obscure artists. Just a thought. (There are four Van Goghs in the FPC queue right now.) Sca (talk) 15:37, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
But does that affect the inherent notability of the works or images themselves? There may be an embarassment of riches for the late C19th at the moment, but other eras or movements will have their moments in the spotlight. - SchroCat (talk) 15:43, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
No, they remain what they are. My thinking is, they're familiar to many people, whereas less-well-known artists would be a learning experience – and perhaps intriguing as something new to viewers/readers.
In this instance, Van Gogh is arguably the most famous personality in Western art of the Modern Era (though others could be argued as well), and his late style, while often entrancing, is familiar to most culturally literate people. I'm not suggesting his works should never be FPs, only that it would be refreshing to vary the mix with talented but often ignored artists (not from France or the Low Countries), such as Baluschek, Liebermann, Corinth and various Scandinavian and Russian painters. Sca (talk) 17:15, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I agree entirely that there should also be lesser-known artists work here, but my original point still stands: that does not affect the inherent notability of the works or images themselves. - SchroCat (talk) 17:20, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
It doesn't matter how many works from a single artist we feature, so long as they all have the proper EV. Being featured per se does not affect how interesting or educational an image is; it actually has very little effect on readers. The POTD process is what draws attention, and I or whoever is in charge at the time can handle that when it comes time for it. We have 43 FPs of map projections, but no complaints yet (even after 10 or so have already been run). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:12, 22 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – The painting merits its own article, instead of only a spot in an image gallery, and this would solve the issue of the EV. – Editør (talk) 17:43, 22 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Crisco, why does the painting have so little color, just black, yellow and brown hues? Was that the style for portraits then, or have the colors faded? Or could she have been standing under a yellowish lamp? - CorinneSD (talk) 01:53, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support – the yellowy-brown tint stops at the paint-line at the edge of the painting. The edges of the canvas are off-white. Around the edges of the canvas damage from a frame can be seen, and the yellow tint doesn't change in character where the canvas was covered by the frame, which suggests that whatever's causing the tint was applied at the time of painting. Carolus-Duran's French, so maybe he "French-polished" it, like a violin . Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 23:29, 28 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Original – Jay Gould (1836-1892), railroad developer and speculator, for a long time cast as the archetypal robber baron.
Reason
Prints from the late 19th/early 20th century often aren't perfect, but this print... is no exception. Still! It's a very nice portrait of a major Victorian-era financier, and it's certainly not that bad. Took a fair bit of restoration, as the print was rather heavily damaged at the edges, but I think the results are worth it.
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Original – "Le Quai Saint-Michel et Notre-Dame" (1901) by Maximilien Luce (1858–1941); This was painted by Luce when was moving from his Neo-Impressionist period to his later Populist period, according to the Musée d'Orsay, who hold the piece.
Question - Is there EV for this painting? There is no article for the painting itself, and it's simply the 8th out of the 9 paintings by the painter on that page. I'm not sure it's the best way of showing the timeline of Paris either (the other article that it appears). Mattximus (talk) 14:46, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure that the number of paintings that precede it in the article makes any difference, as long as the image is suitable for the article and isn't tucked into a gallery. - SchroCat (talk) 15:27, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Original – The FM Towns Marty was a fifth-generation home video game console released in 1991 by Fujitsu, exclusively for the Japanese market. It was the first 32-bit home video game system, and came complete with a built in CD-ROM drive and floppy disk drive.
Reason
High EV. Great quality picture of uncommon hardware. It's extra nice that you can see the FDD slot on it (as well as its cheesy slogan.)
Weak support. I like these shots, but I worry that they'll fail to inspire. Is the console slightly damaged? A little ding by the Fujitsu logo? J Milburn (talk) 23:57, 24 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I guess we are wondering what exactly the photograph is supposed to illustrate in an encyclopedia? It doesn't really show a good representation of the Basilica of Saint Paul Outside the Walls, only a tiny fraction of it, and that's the only article it is used. Mattximus (talk) 01:15, 24 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support – I say, had four husbands and many lovers, including King Ludwig I of Bavaria, .. + long list ... Last husband, twenty years her junior, they married under Muslim law and she took the name Jane Elizabeth Digby el Mezrab. Their marriage was a happy one and lasted until her death 28 years later. There is still hope in this world. Hafspajen (talk) 23:12, 22 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
"Hope is definitely not the same thing as optimism. It is not the conviction that something will turn out well, but the certainty that something makes sense, regardless of how it turns out." – Václav Havel – Sca (talk) 17:48, 24 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Hafs, recently I read a long biography of Havel, and I must disagree. He led the Velvet Revolution, was twice elected president of his country (or countries), and was by and large acclaimed by the Czech people and many throughout the world. This, for a man who believed in the "power of the powerless." Sca (talk) 22:10, 25 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Thanks National Names 2000, but only 2 of the 4 images you've nominated are used in the article. Also, I'm not sure that they offer enough of a variety of views (other sets nominated have shown different parts of the interiors, not the same interior from slightly different angles). Perhaps just one frontal view and one diagonal view would be enough? Just some thoughts anyway. Ðiliff«»(Talk)10:01, 22 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support - this is almost a miniature, (18,4 cm x 22,9 cm) by one of the the very first woman English painters and woman portrait painters, that practiced painting professionally. Wish we could have more works from her. [2] And hope the sources are not a mess. Hafspajen (talk) 19:18, 22 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Original – Profile Portrait of a Young Lady, commonly attributed to Italian artist Antonio del Pollaiuolo. Painted with oil on poplar wood in 1465, the painting features an unidentified lady in an exquisite brocade dress, whose posture suggests she is sitting in the marble embrasure of a window or balcony.
Reason
Those were the blessed days without botox and artificial eyelashes... Speculated to be Lucrezia Landriani, but I couldn't find a reliable source for that.
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Original – Self portrait (1782) by Louise Élisabeth Vigée Le Brun (1755–1842); Le Brun was possibly the most important female painter of the 18th century. This painting is a free imitation of Peter Paul Rubens's 1622 portrait Portrait of Susanna Lunden. After the selfie was cleaned, it appeared to be an autographed replica of the original (held in a private collection).
Used, own article, Google file. The scene is depicting Jupiter seducing Io, a mytological tale... The scene is is inspired by Ovid's classic Metamorphoses. Jupiter was often tempted by other women and took on various disguises in order to cover his various escapades, one time taking the form of a swan, another time of a bull, rain, and in this story a cloud.
A copy of this painting is seen here - on the wall...
Support - And a very funny saint to go with too...the crazy-wise mystic St Basil... Who used to walk around naked, break in to wealthy peoples shops and steal food and give it the poor, who was quarreling with Ivan the Terrible (who build this cathedral), for being bloody cruel (and so he was). Not exactly a life insurance those times. The tsar would probably kill any other man criticizing him, but he left Basil alone; because he was seen as an extremely holy man. Hafspajen (talk) 09:21, 23 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I compared this side by side with the daylight picture at the top of the article and to be honest the colours are a lot better in the day pic... Maybe it's better at night when actually visiting it, but in this picture the colours seem pale and washed... gazhiley23:03, 24 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support - The colors are bright because they are lighted with bright lights, but I don't think they are distorted by the lights. Also, supporting this image does not mean negating all the images of the cathedral taken during the daytime. It's just a different image, so it's a good one to have. - CorinneSD (talk) 18:38, 25 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Lighting is not really conducive to the scene. The sunset is nice, but everything else is in a strong shadow as a result. Sunsets can enhance scenes like this, but I think it would have been better perhaps to take this at sunrise with the facing the buildings, rather than backlighting them. Ðiliff«»(Talk)16:29, 23 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Oppose per Diliff - although only weak as unusually there's lots of detail in this picture... Just would prefer it lighter to be able to bring out the colours gazhiley22:53, 24 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Reason
Caldecott is really notable, William Cowper, while a bit out-of-fashion, possibly for good reasons (he pads a bit) is highly notable, and even Edmund Evans, the publisher is notable. This is the first two images from the set, provided to allow initial comments before I finish it. I intend to finish the colour illustrations next, then the black and white. The article discusses the illustrations.
Question: Aren't they a bit pale? It's more the other images on that page are too dark and over-saturated. I have the book. There's a strong tendency for people to do that sort of edit if they don't work against the originals.
Comment - perhaps just nominate the first one solo? With two images it is an incomplete set. I don't see any reason you couldn't nominate the entire set later (or defined subsets) including a single that may already be featured, IMO...--Godot13 (talk) 08:58, 1 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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The Wilton diptych
The Wilton diptych; left-hand panel
The Wilton diptych; right-hand panel
Caption
The Wilton Diptych (c. 1395-99); a small egg on oak portable diptych depicting Richard II of England kneeling before the Virgin and Child. The painting is described by the art historian Andrew Graham-Dixon as "the most beautiful dream of heaven to survive in all British art".
Oppose and suggest withdrawal. Background is distracting, subject is in shadows. Not properly aligned horizontally and vertically. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:10, 4 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose A picture of a shuttlecock is fine, but it needs to be an exceptional picture of one in order to become a Featured Picture. I am not certain I understand why the nominator thinks this image is remarkable. KDS4444Talk23:22, 4 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Original – The Great Court of the British Museum, showing the tessellated roof, the largest covered roof in Europe.
Reason
It's an interesting view (albeit oft repeated) of the Great Court of the British Museum, the main interior space in which all the galleries and rooms emanate from. It's high resolution, taken during the blue hour which allows the tessellated roof to contrast against the warmer tones of the interior. It's EV is wide ranging as it illustrates a wide variety of articles relating to the the architectural style and the museum itself.
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Original – Hygin-Auguste Cavé, a French attorney, journalist, and government official, as well as an occasional playwright and librettist, in an 1844 portrait by Jean-Auguste-Dominique Ingres
Reason
High quality scan of a good portrait of a notable individual by a notable artist.
According to the article, "Through his wife, Cavé became acquainted with [her] former teacher Ingres, as well as Delacroix and Gigoux. In 1844 [Cavé] commissioned Ingres to paint his portrait, which was apparently intended to be a companion piece to Ingres's earlier portrait of Mme Cavé". — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:59, 24 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - That statement in the lede of the article on Hygin-Auguste Cavé, "He is perhaps best known as the subject of a portrait by the French artist Ingres, which is on display at New York's Metropolitan Museum of Art" may be mainly true in the U.S., but I would suspect that in France he is remembered also for his many other accomplishments. CorinneSD (talk) 20:25, 1 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Well, maybe he wouldn't be remembered for being a lawyer, but look (in the article) at all the other things he did. I think you're teasing me, though. - CorinneSD (talk) 23:56, 1 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I didn't mind the Porsche picture, but the lights on this are distracting and leave lines over the bodywork where there aren't lines... gazhiley22:48, 24 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support. I can't say I share Sca's concern, though I don't think it's unreasonable. Gaz raises a good point, though, which is why this is "weak". J Milburn (talk) 12:42, 26 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Original – Taractrocera ceramas, commonly known as the Tamil Grass Dart, is a butterfly belonging to the family Hesperiidae. It is found from the western Ghats to Bombay, in the hills of southern India and northern Burma. Taken at Kadavoor, Kerala, India.
Reason
A very nice picture of a butterfly. We don't have enough of them!
It might be better if there was some explanation of why it is lit in this way. 31.49.120.201 (talk)
It depends what one mean by "originally". If you mean what it looked like a few hundred years ago when the monastery was in use, then no of course not. If you mean that's what it look like today (or rather, when I went there in December), then it does look like that originally. The lighting was put in place by the people running the site itself (i.e. National Trust). I didn't set up any special lighting to take the picture. -- KTC (public) (talk) 16:23, 25 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose – It may be very well to manipulate colored lights for effect, but in this setting it just looks gimmicky, IMO. Sca (talk) 14:00, 27 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Has recently won an Honorary Academy Award; typical glamour portrait for its day. I believe that last aspect was missed at its previous nomination - cf. Frances Farmer, Gene Tierney (1, 2), Leslie Howard for further examples of the style
Oppose for now. Publicity stills such as this usually had the copyright notice on the reverse (if they had one at all). We cannot be certain that there was no notice without being able to check the reverse, and... sadly... Doctor Macro never uploads those. (Also, this strikes me as having had a pure white background added digitally) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:26, 25 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I don't get where people came up with that idea. For an image to be featured, it must be free. WP:FP? #4 on Wikipedia. If it is not free, then it does not meet the criteria. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:46, 25 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
If you're not willing to nominate it for deletion, then you haven't finished the job and you just make it look like you're actually trying to sabotage the nom for reasons that have nothing to do with the copyright status. If you really have concerns, I dare you to nominate it for deletion so we can do this job properly. Samsara03:42, 26 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Wow, ABF much? Particularly ironic considering your own replies to Hafs in other nominations. I wrote a quick oppose, based on previous experiences with Doctor Macro stills (not posters; posters had their copyright notices on the front), about 2 minutes before stepping out to handle paperwork related to me registering for the doctorate program. I've barely been home for more than to sleep since 48 hours ago. Yes, I am perfectly fine with XFDing this. No need to dare me. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:14, 26 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
And are you saying you want the Hepburn case to be repeated? Commons:Deletion requests/File:Hepburn-afternoon.jpg ended with the deletion of an English-Wikipedia featured picture of the actress. If we'd looked at copyright more carefully during the nomination (at the time I was not as versed in copyright issues, hence my support there; you yourself appeared to consider the license within FPC's purview as well...), we'd have avoided such an embarrassment. I've learned my lesson. Has FPC? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:21, 26 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I would simply like you to raise addressable issues, not throw around wild suspicions that you apparently cannot substantiate either way. Samsara05:52, 26 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Samsara, I think you are being unreasonable. Copyright concerns certainly are something that should be addressed here when they exist, and it is right and fair that we ask for a high level of certainty concerning the copyright status of images nominated at FPC. J Milburn (talk) 12:26, 26 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
My concern was, and remains, addressable: we either delete this image (under the precautionary principle on Commons) or we confirm that the image was indeed published without a copyright notice. EBay is usually pretty good for that, though matching up the exact images is a sometimes thing. BTW, I'd have raised (and I believe I have raised) the same concern whenever I've seen these images come through FAC. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:41, 26 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - -- Armbrust I don't know about the rules, but the image, when I clicked on it states - nominated for deletion. This media file has been nominated for deletion since 26 February 2015 ... souldn't this be speedy close? Hafspajen (talk) 09:49, 4 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Original – The Fall of Man from the left panel of the Vienna Diptych by the Flemish artist Hugo van der Goes. Painted in the second half of the 15th century, it shows Serpent as a bipedal salamander-like creature because it was assumed that the serpent could walk before God's curse compelled it to crawl and eat dust. Such depiction of the Serpent was introduced into art in the late 13th century and was later generally abandoned by the Renaissance artists.
Reason
This particular Fall of Man is interesting because of salamander-like bipedal tempting Serpent, which in later depictions would become the ordinary snake we got used to. I haven't spotted a good digitization of the right panel, though.
But I have a question: why is it dark at the corners, especially at the left end? Is that a result of aging of the carpet or of lighting? - CorinneSD (talk) 17:56, 25 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The image has been tampered with. A digital patch was applied (badly) on top of a (damaged?) portion of the carpet on the upper right corner. Also, although the pixel count is not bad, the image is indeed quite blurry. And, BTW, are we sure that we got the size right? 0.3x0.7 meters is more like a doormat than a carpet. --Ebertakis (talk) 21:58, 25 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Ebertakis. Really bad digital manipulation in the top right in terms of resolutions, brightness, and alignment mismatch. -- KTC (talk) 23:53, 25 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Original – Movie footage of Etna's eruptive episode (paroxysm) during the night of 16-17 November 2013. Places where the footage was recorded (copied from source): 00:00 Piano Vetore (upper southwest flank of Etna) 00:16 Piano del Vescovo (upper southeast flank of Etna) 03:03 Zafferana Etnea (southeast flank of Etna) 03:33 Santa Venerina (southeast flank of Etna) 03:58 Milo (east flank of Etna) 04:20 Mareneve road near Fornazzo (east flank of Etna) 05:06 Mareneve road near Monte Fontane (ENE flank of Etna) 05:43 Mareneve road near Fornazzo (east flank of Etna) 07:03 Fornazzo (east flank of Etna) 07:16 Tremestieri Etneo (south flank of Etna)
Reason
I find the quality of this video to be outstanding. Also, the EV is great. It's probably the most famous volcano in the world. Having footage of its eruption is almost a blessing. Also, have fun clicking on the times I've indicated in the caption to hear the detonations one after the other, and you'll discover that they sound very different.
I believe this image meets app the featured article criteria. Used on multiple articles, high quality and technical standard, etc. It's gorgeous really, and has an incredible visual effect on the reader. It is Jan Wijnants's Parable of the Good Samaritan, depicting the the parable as told by Jesus in response to a question posed to him by a Mosaic scholar.
Conditional Support - if the source problem can be fixed. The source given is not the same as the pic, and I know how Crisco feels about that. Hafspajen (talk) 14:22, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Original – Stephan's Quintet, a group of four galaxies. The upper left NGC 7320 is seven times closer to earth and NGC 7319, at top right, is a barred spiral with distinct spiral arms that follow nearly 180 degrees back to the bar. NGC 7317, at bottom left, is a normal-looking elliptical galaxy and the next galaxy appears to have two cores, but it is actually two galaxies, NGC 7318A and NGC 7318B.ALT - Denoised.
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Original – Mr and Mrs Andrews is an oil on canvas portrait of about 1750 by Thomas Gainsborough, now in the National Gallery, London. Little known until the 20th century, the painting drew great praise after its first exhibition and was an icon of British art by the mid-1950s. Interestingly (and to great effect), it combines portraiture and landscape painting.
Support Eye Catching place to have a town. Looks like a fun place to live, if a little difficult to live without sand invading your entire life and home! Quality seems fine to me, although agree that a crop from the left would cut out some of the repetative scenery - but then this also shows perfectly the setting this place is in... Would support either at this stage... gazhiley15:16, 27 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
marked. Looking the image over, I'm also concerned by the blown highlights in the sky and the fact that the village is in shadows — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:51, 1 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. There's an issue that nobody has commented on yet... There seems to be a significant bowing of the panorama. The left side is bowing outwards to the left, and the right side is bowing outwards to the right. There's also a minor stitching error above and below the left hand oasis. And the sky is a bit blown and the town itself is too dark. I think the image has a lot of potential and wow but I'd love to get my hands on the original images and process it better. Ðiliff«»(Talk)14:01, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Original – The Baptism of Christ (1848–50), Piero della Francesca; a sublime picture and one of the gems of the National Gallery. According to our article, "It portrays Christ being baptised by John, his head surmounted by a dove representing the Holy Spirit. Christ, John's hand, the bird and the bowl form an axis which divides the painting in two symmetrical parts. A second division is created by the tree on the left, which instead divides it according to the golden ratio." So there you go.
Eh. This is a painting where the painter have calculated everything, even the smallest details to that they should fit the according to the golden ratio. It is a masterpiece of the very first divison. Hafspajen (talk) 21:39, 8 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Original – A portrait of the Italian sculptor Alessandro Vittoria, of the Venetian school. He was considered one of the foremost Italian sculptors of the 16th century.
Reason
High quality scan, good painting of a notable sculptor (an underrepresented group)
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Original – The Entombment (probably 1450s), Dieric Bouts; a painting in which pigments were bound with glue before being attached to linen by Bouts, an Early Netherlandish painter. According to the FA article, the “painting is an austere but affecting portrayal of sorrow and grief. It shows four female and three male mourners grieving over the body of Christ.”
Reason
Excellent scan of high EV piece (FA on the painting)
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Original – Three mealybugs, insects in the family Pseudococcidae. These unarmored scale insects are found in moist, warm climates and considered pests as they feed on plant juices of greenhouse plants, house plants and subtropical trees.
Reason
As can be seen from the file history, this was a tough shot to get right. Mealybugs are tiny little "bug-cows" (herded by ants) which feed on plant matter. These were found in our garden (the pinkish background is the wall). I ended up focus stacking 5 images to get all three of these tiny insects in focus (not an easy task, if you look at the rest of the Commons category). I think it's rather nice, even if they terrorize plants.
Comment: I appreciate how big an ask this is, but do we have any clearer identification? We have nearly 300 listed genera, nevermind species, so "a mealybug" is actually a very vague ID. J Milburn (talk) 10:33, 1 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
To quote User:Shyamal from elsewhere: "Unfortunately most mealybugs can only be identified under a microscope and identifying to species would require the specialist (i.e. not me) to examine a specimen, dissect the genitalia and compare with literature (often scattered in journals)." I'm still looking for a genus-level ID, but not hoping for much. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:12, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, I've received a response from an entomologist Jee recommended. As with Shyamal, he stated that a certain identification from a photograph would be impossible. He did note, however, that there is a species (Phenacoccus parvus) which feeds on Lantana (as here). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:45, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry, but I'm not sure I'm comfortable supporting this without clearer ID. We used to pass a lot of images with only genus level ID, but even that strikes me as less than ideal, now. A lack of clear ID, for my money, reduces EV; the best and most useful images in professional works (such as reputable guidebooks or scientific papers [didn't we used to have something about this in the criteria?]) are going to have a subject which is identified with some accuracy. Josh Milburn (talk) 09:18, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, I understand completely. There are a lot of unidentified insects I've taken images of which haven't been anywhere near FPC or QIC (on Commons); they may be technically there, but the ID needs to be done. For the mealybugs, I thought that the extreme difficulty of proper identification (and the technical shot) would be a mitigating factor, so I tried nominating anyways. No worries if that's not the case. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:32, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Original – Christ in the desert by Ivan Kramskoi
Reason
It is an iconic painting by an important Russian painter. Ivan Kramskoy was a significant figure in the Russian art history - both painter and art theoretician, the intellectual leader of the Russian democratic art movement in 1860-1880, together with Russian artists like Ilya Repin and Ivan Shishkin.
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Original – John William Waterhouse's 1903 painting of the classic mythology poem Echo and Narcissus; Echo loves the handsome Narcissus who rejects her and loves only his own reflection. The beautiful nymph fades away until only the whisper of her once beautiful voice is left. Waterhouse, mythology, Google Art scan - of course I'm going to nominate this delightful illustration!
Reason
Lovely scan from Google Art Project of charming painting by John William Waterhouse; good EV with it's own article that I hope to expand a little bit more soon.
Ophelia (1894)was a dainty little maid Who loved a very melancholy Dane Whose affection of the heart, so it is said, Preceded his affection of the brain. Heir apparent to the Crown, He thought lightly of her passion. Having wandered up and down In an incoherent fashion When she found he wouldn't wed her, In a river, in a medder, Took a header, and a deader Was Ophelia.
Ophelia to her sex was a disgrace, Whom nobody could feel compassion for. Ophelia should have gone to Ely Place To consult an eminent solicitor. When such promises as these Breaks a suitor, rich and regal, Why, substantial damages Is the panacea legal - From a jury - sons of Adam, Though as stony as Macadam, Maid or madam, she'd have had 'em Would Ophelia
Support – Intriguing work from a very intriguing artist, with whom I had not been familiar. Like his Ophelia paintings, too. (Oops!) Sca (talk) 19:03, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Because he is a pompous ass. She should have realized that she would be better of without him, Brad. Just look at him, he can't get out of that blasted water....Hafspajen (talk) 09:42, 3 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - We should be careful with the Web gallery of art. Best I can tell, they take scans from random places and compile them. No way to guarantee accuracy. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:55, 1 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support Left side is noticeably less sharp than the rest, but given the large size and that it's barely noticeable, I can live with that. Adam Cuerden(talk)11:48, 3 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment While it's certainly good to have a numbered version on Commons for other languages, wouldn't it simplify its use here to put well-sized labels directly on it? Adam Cuerden(talk)12:01, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - It's not clear to me how the thin, straight, blue-green "stick" becomes incorporated into the capsomer protein. I see the straight lines with a circle around it, but that doesn't make it clear enough to a non-expert. CorinneSD (talk) 18:46, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think it's "incorporated"; I think the left-hand diagram is a blow-up of a small section of the "stick". I didn't find it clear at first that the four sticks are all equivalent, just randomly oriented, and that the label "3" applies equally to all of them. I saw it in two halves, with the right-hand three sticks part of a different (related) diagram showing some new structure. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.51.2.19 (talk) 00:32, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
That's true - the three viral capsids on the right are superfluous. Label three would be better applied to the capsid with the circled section. (Additionally @Splette: I forgot to ping you earlier) T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk01:52, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oh.... Would it be asking too much to show some connection to the tobacco plant? Perhaps if the sticks on the right are removed, there would be room to add something. CorinneSD (talk) 01:58, 7 March 2015 (UTC) We're a demanding bunch. ;) CorinneSD (talk) 01:59, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Hi all. I made the image, thanks for nominating it! I'll happily edit the image if there's a consensus to modify it in order to improve it further. But let's discuss first. I've slightly edited the image to change the orientation of the full virus capsid ('stick') that's being magnified more upright. Now it better matches the orientation of the close-up view, so I hope this will make it a bit clearer that what we see on the left is a magnified view of the entire virus capsid. As for removing the three sticks on the right, I think we should keep them because in the actual EM images of the virus like the one used in the article there are also a whole bunch of sticks, not just a single one. Therefore I believe that showing several sticks in the diagram will make it easier for the viewer to grasp that those sticks are in fact the same thing we see in the EM pic. The other thing is that we need at least one horizontal stick for the 300nm scale bar. Another suggestion raised was to add a photo of a tobacco plant. That would be easy to add. I just wonder if it's necessary. The scope of this illustration as far as I see it is to explain the structure and scale of the virus capsid. I'm not sure how a photo of the host plant would help with that. Adding a pic of a spotty tobacco plat leaf is nice to show the effects the virus has on the plant but I think that's not the purpose of this diagram. There is a separate section about that in the article (including photos). SPLETTE :]How's my driving?15:33, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Is it possible to somehow have the "3" label all of the "sticks" rather than just two of them? I know you could say it is obvious, but I think the placement of the "3" contributes to the impression that the right three sticks are showing a different structure. Also, perhaps the placement of some of the sticks could be adjusted to make the left-most one seem more a part of the group. 217.44.208.185 (talk) 20:33, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Having 4 of the sticks suggests there is a significance to that number, if there is a reason there are 4 drawn then it's not clear why. Also it's missing information, what does the light blue and dark blue represent. Do those proteins have names? I think this diagram needs a rethink, and have a much more sensible layout. Mattximus (talk) 23:42, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I agree with User:Mattximus that the light and dark blue need to be labeled and that more thought needs to be given to this diagram. Regarding the sticks on the right, I believe it doesn't matter how many there are. In reality, there are probably quite a few on a plant leaf. Perhaps there should be a few more, and, except for one showing the length, they could all be arranged in a more random order, with some even smaller showing they're slightly more distant. Also, since it looks like the light and dark blue image at the left represents the top few millimeters, or micro-millimeters (whatever they are) of the stick, the thin lines should be pointing to a point just below the top of the stick, not two-thirds of the way down. Either that or have a clearer indication that this is a section of the stick, perhaps with a cut-out. CorinneSD (talk) 04:18, 8 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Concerning the top of the capsid: here is a version that makes it clear that the close-up on the left is a magnification of the top-end of the capsid. Is that an improvement= Then again, the image on the left only shows the RNA coming out of the capsid to make it clear to the viewer, that the RNA lies within the capsid and is attached to the capsomeres, thus following the same corkskew pattern. However, in reality it does not actually extend outside the top of the capsid. SPLETTE :]How's my driving?00:53, 9 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Well, then maybe it should come from the middle of the stick and not the top. Isn't there a way to show that it is a cross-section of the stick? CorinneSD (talk) 01:26, 9 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose – If you compare the (supposed) source of the file, you can immediately see that the colors have been manipulated unnecessarily. – Editør (talk) 07:59, 3 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Original – Christ Crowned with Thorns (1490–1500) by Hieronymus Bosch; This is an oil of wood painting that differs significantly from Bosch's normal style. The scene also differs from other crown of thorns crowning of the time, with Bosch showing the scene before the violence starts, rather than the more common scene of showing Christ's suffering during the crowning.
Note:Lwowska Galeria Sztuki translates as "Lwów Art Gallery." The title of this work appears to be Pithia – evidently an allusion to Pythia. Sca (talk)
Oppose - Below 1500px minimum. With the number of artworks available online in high resolution, there's no reason for this to be promoted without meeting that requirement. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:18, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Original – Diagram of the anatomy of a female Nautilus pompilius
Reason
Freely licensed, meets all other criteria. This image has been almost two years in the making— please offer any comments for suggestions or improvements, I am still taking all of them (really! I need suggestions to improve!). Thanks! This image has been cleaned of raster components and has passed W3C validation; it contains no HTML code and has been managed for size. I have chosen not to depict the animal's tentacles (beyond the shadow shown here) as this would make the image more difficult to interpret than it already may be. Likewise I have curtailed the depiction of the neural system, the circulatory system, and the musculoskeletal system, as each of these would require its own complete diagram to be correctly understood. From this illustration the viewer should be able to understand that the nautilus has an archaic metamerism visible in the number of its lungs, a typical molluscan nerve ring around its oesophagus, and a simple locomotive system via its hyponome.KDS4444Talk14:55, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. In the bitmap renditions (are these created by Wikipedia itself?) the joining of the text labels to the lead lines is messy and inconsistent (overlaps, different spacings). The SVG display in Chrome has some messiness (less) in this respect, but the font is completely different (changes to a slightly weedy serif font). The SVG display in IE breaks completely (tiny unreadable text). 109.152.149.255 (talk) 01:16, 4 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I am recalling that when I has this problem with my last diagram, the only solution ended up to convert all of the text to outlines. Which is what I have now done. KDS4444Talk23:18, 4 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I was looking over the rearranged article after the Eugen Sandowphotograph passed, and saw this. Colours looked slightly off, so I jumped through and had a look. It turned out to be small and made from an early Library of Congress scan, and those could have poor colour fidelity, so I was willing to leave it be...
...Except that it also turned out that the LoC had since made a good version available, and it wasn't too big of a task to fix it. Useful to have an advertising poster. Adds some information to the article - he toured, he was popular, he did the act advertised, he was promoted by Florenz Ziegfeld, Jr. - in a simple, attractive way.
Weak Oppose. No doubt a good restoration, but I don't find the image itself to be special enough to be featured. The resolution is okay, but sharpness is fairly poor. We have much better posters. Ðiliff«»(Talk)21:35, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Diliff: That's more a critique of the original lithograph, done on the cheap, though: A lot of these ephemeral posters look about like this, but I don't think there's a better one for the Ziegfeld promotion of the Trocadero club, or for this phase of Sandow's career. Adam Cuerden(talk)21:56, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Oh, what the heck. I saw the same problems Diliff pointed out (hence my late !vote), but what can I say... I've got a soft spot for corniness. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:09, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Yep he is serious, When about twenty-four years of age he was seized with a sudden passion for study, and made rapid progressfrom article, -indeed- -just like me. Except I am not serious. ... Hafspajen (talk) 09:36, 3 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I was reading the article on Guillaume Budé. In the section on "Family", it says, "Gillaume was the son of Jean III Budé." I couldn't figure out if it was "Jean the third Budé" or "Jean I-l-l Budé". Now, in edit mode, I see it is "Jean the third Budé". I had never seen a name like that, with "the third" before the family name. Any thoughts about this? - CorinneSD (talk) 00:52, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Original – There are 15 specimens of the 1804 dollar known to exist (seven of which are in museum collections). Despite the date on the coin, none of them were struck before the 1830s. The Class III example pictured (determined by the lettering used on the coin) is one of only six known, and may have been struck as late as the 1850s. It sold in a 2009 auction for USD $2,300,000.
Reason
High quality image, high EV, very rare. Dubbed “the king of coins” in 1885, the 1804 dollar has reportedly garnered more numismatic attention than any other US coin.
Support I'm the author of the article in which this image is used, and I can attest to its excellent illustrative quality and aesthetic value.-RHM22 (talk) 01:34, 3 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support – Historical EV. Had heard of the 1804 dollar but didn't know it was struck years after the date it carries. Sca (talk) 22:41, 3 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Original – Abraham sacrificing his only son, Isaac, on Mount Sinai, at the behest of God. God asked Moses to sacrifice Isaac in order to test his loyalty. An angel stopped Moses halfway through the act because his loyalty had been sufficiently proven in the eyes of God. The expression on Isaac's face says it all, really.
Reason
It should be self-evident that oil-on-canvas paintings of Biblical events are always gorgeous and high-quality. (No really, I checked it against the featured picture criteria. All checks out, in my opinion)
Actually I think somebody should start looking into this matter on commons. Or start uploading new Caravaggios with a source. They are too many that are unsourced. It is rather irritating. --Hafspajen (talk) 09:32, 3 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I have notified the original uploader of the image of the problem with the image's source. It appears he/ she is Polish— I hope my English will be translatable. How or if the problem will be addressed, though, we shall have to wait and see. I also came across Hafspajen's previous request for clarification of an image's source information from this user, and saw that it was ignored. Very disappointing. What is worse, he/ she appears to be an administrator at Commons! Double-weird. KDS4444Talk13:12, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
This was the response, I copy it over here: Sorry. The situation is, that as I'm more into tehcnicalities, I mass uploaded all these scans on behalf of my friend (user:Staszek99), who took care for descriptions and so on. Therefore, I really don't know their source and clearly see now the problem, that they aren't fully described. I contacted him yesterday about the issue you've raised, and he promised to come back to me soon. Masur (A) (talk) 13:21, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
Sorry for not replying. Staszek99 confirmed, that unfortunately he doesn't remember now. So pity - but it's how it's :/ Masur (A) (talk) 14:01, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
Support It is tricky to get good photos of celestial objects, especially ones that do not show the zig-zags of the astroguide. This image appears to have minimal such zig-zags. And the tail is amazing! But can I get an explanation for the blue color? Was this the actual color of the comet? Why? KDS4444Talk23:34, 4 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Original – Mail Coach on the Road- the Louth-LondonRoyal Mail progressing at Speed, 1828
Reason
Charles Cooper Henderson was British painter of horses and coaches. The painting depicts a Mail coach on the road- the Louth-London Royal Mail. A team of men in top hats driving the mail coach on the road with whips in their hands. 32,4 cm (12.76 in) x Width: 52,7 cm (20.75 in); between 1820 and 1830, oil on canvas. In the Yale Center for British Art. It is all Sca's fault, by the way. He started this with:what was there before the Fed-ex thing.
Or the texture of the canvas, perhaps? If the darker clouds have more paint applied to them, that would make sense... just I've seen something similar with a photograph I took before. Nobody ever brought it up at FPC, but... — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:42, 4 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Original – A view of Ho Chi Minh City, largest city of Vietnam, at night, as taken from the Bitexco Financial Tower. The city is home to almost 8 million people, and the country's economic center.
Reason
High quality night view of the largest city in Vietnam. We don't get much out of this area, so it's nice to have a good photograph
Support Lovely colours, and good clarity... Few glare spots from lights, most likely from taking this picture through glass, but not enough to distract or spoil it... gazhiley17:57, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Distracting background, as the trees behind make it difficult (not impossible just harder than it should/could be) to see the exact shape of the tree... gazhiley17:55, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I won't argue about the first point but I don't think it was taken too close at all, it was taken from about 10 metres away and is not a wide angle view. This is the shape of the tree. Ðiliff«»(Talk)23:38, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Really, there are a million pictures of Christ which could probably be used in the article "son of man". Furthermore, isn't this just a detail? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:02, 4 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I believe 4 factors are needed to make a picture as FP not any other things are included. you consider that is Christ's portrait not any other subject like Son of man and etc. plz check the painting with the subject of Christ. Alborzagros (talk) 10:54, 4 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
High quality
encyclopedic value
righteous framing
using in articles
And there are probably a good thousand or so depictions of Christ on Commons that meet the first three criteria. That this is used instead of the others is not necessarily an indication that it is worthy of being FP (especially since it is a detail) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:04, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Alborzagros, Crisco. Jesus actually did called himself So of Man. True. Because of this, it should be illustrated from those parts of the script, were he mentions this fact. I am on the case. If I find a good picture we can go co-nom, Alborzagros, OK? Hafspajen (talk) 11:51, 4 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Also, this - Christ, a gardener - it is a bit confusing. I don't know of any specifical history there as Christ was acting as a gardener or mentioned himself as one. Could be however the part when Maria Magdalena is confusing him with the garderner... (?) at the tomb. Hafspajen (talk) 11:54, 4 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose; were it not for the slightly surprising support above, I'd suggest a speedy close. I am not seeing how it is particularly valuable in son of man, and it certainly is not FP-level valuable in Titian- it was recently added to a gallery, and is a detail of a larger painting. Josh Milburn (talk) 09:04, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Was not supporting. Just was trying to find an other picture maybe. Details are generaly not nominated. But I think the theme is very interesting. Christ as gardener could be an interesting article, and from there an other pic could be nominated instead of this. This is a detail. Waiting for Alborzagros to tell meif he is interested in an other pic of Christ, the gardener.... and an article. I like the idea. Hafspajen (talk) 00:01, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Original – Waiting, a pastel on paper by the French ImpressionistEdgar Degas, completed between 1880–82. It is one of his earlier pastels, and part of a series of works depicting ballerinas. Here is a ballerina accompanied by her chaperone, bent over ostensibly to massage her foot but whose body language indicates a person racked with anticipation before she takes stage.
Reason
Very high quality and high resolution scan of a notable painting by a notable artist
Crisco, is that aimed at me? I wasn't being sarcastic – I just misread the sizes of the pic. on Commons. Simply a mistake. Sorry. Sca (talk) 15:18, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Sharp eye you have. I did check on originals. Saw those lines (left cup) in that part also in originals. But really seems like mistake. Somekind refraction-diffraction ligth play, or even lines from white linen. Maybe the Braggs law come to enforce. Here they are, unprocessed. one and the other one --PetarM (talk) 20:17, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Some parts migth have minor softnes, like in flower. Its not easy task to go manually. Especially when so many edges are - flower. --PetarM (talk) 08:53, 8 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support - I think I gave this one as make-your own Christmas-Wikilove... Remember thinking this could probably be a FP as well... Hafspajen (talk) 10:37, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Oh, wow. Nice. What an interesting painter. And 10,218 × 7,733 pixels, too. We don't have many FP painters from the former Austro-Hungarian Empire. Hafspajen (talk) 20:34, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Original – Pure (99.98 %), Melted tip of a hafnium consumable electrode used in an ebeam remelting furnace (sample from the collection of Ethan Currens), oxidized hafniumebeam remelted ingot (color from thin film effects in the oxide layer), and additional 1 cm3 hafnium cube for comparison. The metal piece-photo was taken on a white glass plate.
Support By the way, since I've just been reading an excellent book on the subject ("The Monstrous Middle Ages") I'd like to point out the monsterisation of femininity in this. The monster's large female genitals accentuate (for the mediaeval viewer) the temptation and torment of the chaste saint. By making them female and aggressive, the artist is mixing in a sexual trial to the physical. Adam Cuerden(talk)06:03, 8 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Original – Mike Dirnt, playing on stage at Rock im Park-Festival 2013. Dirnt is the bassist and occasional vocalist of the American punk rock band Green Day
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Original – A portrait of a cheetah (Acinonyx jubatus) showing the black "tear mark" running from the corner of its eye down the side of the nose.
Reason
High resolution, good quality portrait of a cheetah with high EV – it shows the black "tear mark" running from the corner of its eye down the side of the nose. Currently a featured picture on Commons. This is the second nomination, the first being here – hopefully the EV issues have been addressed now.
Oppose There is already a featured picture of a cheetah in nearly the exact pose. I can't see the need for another. Perhaps a de-list candidate? - MatGTAM (talk) 07:13, 8 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I take it you're referring to this picture. I don't see why they can't both be featured. The pose may be similar, but the one is a portrait and the other a head-and-shoulders. —Bruce1eetalk12:14, 9 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Original – This very early 18th-century painting by Francesco Solimena shows the goddess Diana watching lovingly over the handsome shepherd Endymion as he sleeps surrounded by cherubs, Cupid and the shepherd's dogs. Great detail and look - the artist hasn't done too bad a job of the feet! I'm only mentioning that as I know from a few past comments some of you seem to have a bit of a foot fetish!
Support Excellent - really interesting scenery... I for one am not concerned about the sky that Ṫ Ḧ mentioned - it's such a small part of the picture, and not really that bad IMO... gazhiley12:18, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. It's a nice picture, but on close inspection it does to my eye have a slightly bleached-out or over-exposed quality, especially the top part. 217.44.208.185 (talk) 20:15, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Original – The three brothers from the Horatii, (pictured) agree to end the war by fighting the three brothers from a family of Alba Longa, the Curiatii. The brothers appear to be willing to sacrifice their lives for the good of Rome, are shown saluting the Hail Caesar salute to their father who holds their swords out for them.
Reason
Iconic painting, iconic painter. The scene is depicting a Roman legend. The two Roman cities, Rome and Alba Longa were engaged in war. It was agreed that the settlement of the war would depend on the outcome of a battle between the three Roman brothers from the Horatii and the the three brothers Curiatii from Alba Longa. The painting is about masculine self-sacrifice for one's country and patriotism.
Support then. If we ever end up with an article on the painting, I'd expect both images to be included. For history, you make a convincing argument. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:04, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Lovely painting of the title character of this (actually quite enjoyable) novel. Free, detailed, and encyclopedic (Graziella's bare feet are mentioned several times, and her long black hair is central to a rather dramatic part of the novel)
Support – How could I not support this? I love this fabulous painting and the enchanting story; plus it's backed up with a great new article on what was apparently a very popular book. Excellent EV, well done, Crisco! SagaciousPhil - Chat10:29, 7 March 2015 (UTC) I see we're back with the foot fetish! [reply]
I prefer not leaving out any part of the painting. This one is more manageable than most (have you seen some of those ones with non-straight frames?) but still. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:51, 8 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Original – The queen consort of France, called Queen Marie of France with pet. Possibly a Spaniel or a Phalene. She was a daughter of King Stanisław I of Poland She married King Louis XV of France, known as Louis the Beloved. Misse and Lutine were Louis the Beloved's dogies.
Oppose - I still don't see why you need F/16. At that distance, F/8 should provide plenty of DOF, with less diffraction and a faster shutter speed (and thus you can lose some of the ISO; ISO 200 would be useable, or ISO 100. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:04, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Crisco 1492: I did not bracket this shot, I regret. I have programmed a number of configurations to my "bracketing" program on the Nikon. The real issue is the craft is moving at 100mph away from the subject and IMHO I over saturated the colors in vibrancy in post here. Corinne is new to this process, and lets all try to assist the user in developing the eye needed to make successful nominations, it is in the best interest of everyone to assist new participants, like CorinneSD. Just my 2 cents. talk→WPPilot03:57, 8 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Your shutter speed would be a lot easier to manage at a lower F number. F8 would give you much more room to play with, and at that distance (20 miles? 30 miles?) depth of field won't be a problem. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:38, 8 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I am at a altitude of 2500 feet, and perhaps 3 miles at most from the subject. This shot is on the inbound leg landing on runway 20 Right at KSNA airport, in addition I would be traveling at a decent rate of about 500 feet per minute and flying at 120 MPH, away from the subject at this time of the flight talk→WPPilot06:49, 8 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think speed affects aperture. If you need 1/1000 (or 1/2000), something like f/8 would allow you to get it with a lower ISO and thus less noise. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:46, 8 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Not quite sure where Corinne got the "Good quality scan of island; aerial photo taken close enough to show details..." bit from - as per 31.51 it's badly tilted, really horrible close up, and certainly not able to view any details... Sorry WPPilot, nothing personal, but I've seen a lot better stuff from you - this is not good enough for FP... gazhiley12:09, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I am used to the ramblings here and it is great to hear from the critics. It would be personal if anyone else here had the ability to contribute aerial photos, but retouching paintings that were done centuries ago seems to be more popular in the FP section only features real (dead) artists work as retouched by computer experts so I do not take it personally this process has created a thick skin, so to speak. Why are IP editors voting here btw??? talk→WPPilot02:59, 8 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I don't think it is particularly easy to get the ground absolutely level when one is taking a photo from a low-flying airplane and piloting the airplane at the same time. I'm not an expert in photos as a lot of you are, but I don't understand not being able to view any details. One can see individual boats way out on the ocean, many small boats in the little harbor, and individual houses. CorinneSD (talk) 03:40, 8 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@CorinneSD: As you see a IP editor has started a thread and others have chimed in, on the IP editors thread. You are entirely correct regarding detail, and once you remove the IP editor (who made a total of 4 contribs) that leaves two respected editors, whom I do have a great deal of respect for and there comments. IMHO, as this was our first nomination it is ok and, as you have seen already, I respond by adding another photo. Corinne, this is a process that changes with the wind really, please continue to nominate photos you like, mine or otherwise as we truly need more photos to be featured in the featured photo section. Thank you for your support. talk→WPPilot03:50, 8 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support Original I wanted to abstain for a moment and see what the others had to say. While I did take both of these shots. The saturation/vibrancy could be toned down a bit, but I am supporting the nomination. talk→WPPilot06:09, 8 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
What is your standard of resolution? The resolution is much enough that everybody is able to count number of wrinkles in Russian Ambassador' right eye and scallops of petals in pink flowers, blow the painting are completely diagnostic and well-shown and of course countable.__Alborzagros (talk) 11:49, 17 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Original – Bedroom in Arles (1888) by Vincent van Gogh; This is the third version of the painting, which vG undertook towards the end of September 1889, and is the smallest of the three copies. Van Gogh later sent to his brother Theo; the painting is now housed in the Musée d'Orsay, Paris
Comment - I believe another scan of this was nominated before. Might be worth checking to see if there are any outstanding concerns there. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:48, 8 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
This is the other nom: it was of a different picture held by a different gallery and uploaded by a different editor. As the opposes in the other nom were based on the colours, which were deemed to be muted, I'm not sure that applies here, as the colours here are rich and vibrant. - SchroCat (talk) 13:10, 8 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Er, technically, unique is an absolute term and can't be modified. But then, so are destroyed and various others. Sca (talk) 14:04, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
yus, I know. This is why from now on I will be stating "support" with no writing afterwards. Thank you. By the way, 'yus' is spelled incorrectly on purpose. Fylbecatuloustalk20:29, 11 March 2015 (UTC)</sup[reply]
Weak Support – Because it's famous (as is so much of VanG's oeuvre). (According to Bedroom in Arles, this is the third version, from late September 1889, six months before the artist's death. Colors in the second version look a bit brighter to me.) However, I remain dubious about the number of Van Goghs promoted here. Sca (talk) 14:56, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I think it's interesting to note that, of all current FPCs, this is the only van Gogh. Yes, we've got a lot by him, but we've also got a lot by da Vinci and Michelangelo. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:54, 12 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Original – Portrait of the Carolina wren, among its features are the white supercilious streak located above its eye that extends down toward the back of its head, the different shades of brown on the secondary coverts, and its flesh-colored legs.
Reason
The resolution of the photograph allows page viewers to see specific details of the Carolina wren described in the article.
Comment The resolution is about 1000 pixels shy, but the picture is otherwise pretty good. Maybe we could get a less cropped version from the photographer? (that would also fix the tight crop issue) --Ebertakis (talk) 21:33, 8 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think we've featured any of William Blake's antagonist, Joshua Reynolds. On 8 October 1779, Blake became a student at the Royal Academy in Old Somerset House, near the Strand. While the terms of his study required no payment, he was expected to supply his own materials throughout the six-year period. There, he rebelled against what he regarded as the unfinished style of fashionable painters such as Rubens, championed by the school's first president, Joshua Reynolds. Over time, Blake came to detest Reynolds' attitude towards art, especially his pursuit of "general truth" and "general beauty". Reynolds wrote in his Discourses that the "disposition to abstractions, to generalising and classification, is the great glory of the human mind"; Blake responded, in marginalia to his personal copy, that "To Generalize is to be an Idiot; To Particularize is the Alone Distinction of Merit" - from William Blake. But, that said, Blake was a highly unique artist for his time. Reynolds was the mainstream, and as a representative of the mainstream, quite good. Plus, he shows a lot of important people. Probably idealized a bit, but still... John Murray is a very interesting person, one of the leaders of the British side in the leadup to the American Revolution. But more about him anon.
Support - finally. We need more Scottish people. Phil is for some reason, even if a big Reynolds-enthusiast, too shy on this... Saw wonderful paintings at the SNG. Hafspajen (talk) 13:01, 8 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Original – A short-spined crown-of-thorns starfish photographed off the coast of the Philippines. It is one of the two members of the Acanthaster genus of starfishALT - High Quality
This is at the crack of dawn, hence the colors that are vibrant in the wood tones. Negating the photo as a sailboat is in the rear seems silly to me, any boater can see the first mast (on the right) is on the boat itself, and a sailboat is behind its bow. @Nick-D:, I am assuming that you have little boating experience, is that correct? talk→WPPilot14:22, 9 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support – Historical EV, great detail. (Question: If that's an "allegory of progress" on the obverse, do we know what the pile of rocks & mtn. landscape on the reverse depicts?) Sca (talk) 13:33, 9 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support Should be "dinars". In Serbian they say "10 dinara". Singular dinar, plural dinars rigth ? Good and historic. --PetarM (talk) 14:33, 9 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
PetarM- I understand your point, but the numismatic reference books cite the plural of dinar as dinara (not to mention it is printed as dinara on both this note and on the note above).--Godot13 (talk) 23:54, 9 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Original – A dual-denominated banknote issued by the Finance Ministry of the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes: 400 kronen overprinted on a 100 dinara note. Issued only in 1919.
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Original – Panorama of the Tower Bridge from Shad Thames in the morning golden hour. Built 1886–1894, it is a combined bascule and suspension bridge in London which crosses the River Thames, near the Tower of London.
Reason
High quality image of the bridge itself. We currently have a FP, but it's a night view of somewhat smaller resolution (and sadly not used in the article anymore)
Comment. I find the positioning of the background buildings right across the middle of the bridge rather awkward and distracting. I wonder whether another angle could be found to avoid this clash. 109.157.12.109 (talk) 12:30, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- you mean you are posting it as an allt? Though, the nominated picture is 15,287 × 7,643 pixels, this one is only 5000x3000px. Hafspajen (talk) 19:37, 14 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I'm happy with the argument that a wider lens or stitch is preferable - my point was that a photographer can position themselves such that the background clutter is reduced, which is where Diego succeeded. I think we can afford to wait for a better shot. Btw, Diliff's night shot also achieves this. I can't say how good that same vantage point would be during the day, but it's worth a thought. Samsara22:18, 14 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Can I just say that I know from Colin's Commons FPC nomination that he deliberately chose this composition so that the various buildings in the background were framed by the bridge. Whether this was successful or not is up to you to decide, but it wasn't an accident. Anyway, none of my nightshots of the bridge are taken from this direction so the problem of buildings was not an issue. Ðiliff«»(Talk)17:26, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support I think this is the best daytime picture of the bridge by some margin (well I would say that, wouldn't I :-). The photo it is being compared with was criticised at Commons for cropping the top off the skyscraper (so I don't accept that that image has a better composition), and the image quality of that photo is much lower (the bridge is less than half the vertical/horizontal resolution and the image shows much less of the bridge). Photos from the upstream side of the bridge have little in their background, and the significant drawback of this is that they therefore provide no context -- the bridge could be anywhere in London. Whereas from this side, we have three new well-known City of London skyscrapers: The Cheesegrater, The Walkie Talkie, The Gherkin, as well as the Tower of London all providing location and orientation. As Diliff says, I framed this to ensure these recognisable skyscrapers were completely visible rather than awkwardly cropped. I think this provides an interesting juxtaposition of old and new within a relatively tight frame, and completely locates this bridge next to the financial heart of the city. -- Colin°Talk18:55, 18 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose There is something seriously wrong with this image in full size, 15.5 by 12.8 Kilopix, 96 megabytes (!), did you check? There is good sharpness in some small blotches only (look at her face), while the rest is unsharp. Also takes forever to upload. Reduce to a manageable size where the sharpness difference disappears, and I might support. --Janke | Talk16:48, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I checked, and I suspect yours didn't load correctly. It looks sharp all the way through to me. (Try using the large image viewer). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:58, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I see the artefacting, and it's present in the unretouched copy as well. What options do we have? Resolution is huge, but downsampling generally frowned upon... Samsara09:32, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: A great candidate, but has there been some restoration work here? Also, an English description on the image page would be nice. Josh Milburn (talk) 18:31, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support - I suppose the "issues" are not around copyright considering the age of the picture. She is one of the most famous actors in history and probably the most famous female actor ever. HullIntegrity\ talk /13:51, 14 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Monet has so many articles about his individual works that a single painting such as this, which doesn't have an article, does not have enough EV to be featured. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:23, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Nice painting, but I also don't see the EV. If there was an article dedicated to this painting there would be, but if it's just one among the many on the artist's page, it's not really valuable. Mattximus (talk) 23:41, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - In creation: Le Grand Canal by Claude Monet. Comming up. I was always interested in his less known series of paintings, well, actually it is not that unknown either, as I discovered when gathering info. So, done and it is a significant series of works, so no damage done. By the way, one of the Venetian waterscape from this series by Claude Monet was sold for more than $35 million dollars at Sotheby's auction on 2015 January the 8th. Hafspajen (talk) 13:30, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I get that, but the thing about Monet is that he is simply so famous and well-known that even his lesser-celebrated works get that treatment. Also, changed my vote from "Oppose" to "Light oppose". Joshua Garner (talk) 18:55, 17 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I understand your reasoning around this, but this is actually not just one of his individual works, but more, a series of paintings from Venice, and series of paintings are more than just any painting, even if Le Grand Canal series (Monet) is a less known series. Also as our friend Sca stated somewhere - the FP is also a learning experience, so if we feature a are a somewhat less known series of paintings, and that is a learning experience. Hafspajen (talk) 15:08, 18 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support – OK, you convinced me. It is a beautiful composition. Not bad for someone old enough to be my ... brother. Sca (talk) 22:30, 18 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support – Cool capture, big file for B/W. (Besides, my Uncle Bob was chief electrician on the Essex during WWII. He was also welterweight boxing champion of the Pacific Fleet!) Caption/text should include 1960. Sca (talk) 14:17, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support The last of the battle-carrier classes, the Essex-class ships were outfitted with 5 in 38 caliber gun turrets and a collection of 20 and 40 mm guns for use against the IJN, but these were stripped off the ships during there modernizations. A before and after picture here would be good to illustrate that fact, but this ship does a good job of showing off the new and removed hardware. TomStar81 (Talk) 21:52, 13 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support This is an arresting photo with good EV, as it clearly depicts the ship and her ability to operate aircraft in bad weather Nick-D (talk) 23:50, 13 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Original – The scene depicts a scene where Martha and Mary Magdalene are in the Temple, and were listening to Jesus preaching. Mary Magdalene, converted by this encounter is on her her knees beside Christ, crying, turning her face towards him, while Jesus is looking down at her.
No, but thanks. Something about the way she's craning her head back. And maybe the way the group is poised around her. Samsara20:17, 14 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Original – World premiere of the electric car "Audi e-tron" at the International Motor Show 2009 in Frankfurt, Germany. Several editions of the car have since been produced.
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Original – Hideout of Osama bin Laden, the location of his death, in Abbottabad, Pakistan.
Reason
An SVG rendering of Osama Bin Laden's safehouse in Pakistan, which was the site of the 2 May 2011 raid that ultimately resulted in his death. The diagram points out areas of interest, and is an interesting piece of history for our time, all the more so since it was bulldozed by the Pakastani government after the US raid. TomStar81 (Talk) 20:56, 13 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@National Names 2000: I forgot to mention this, but this an SVG file, and it can be easily resized to any needed dimension. Accordingly then, while not at the 2500 x 2500 px mandatory limit required for photographs, as an SVG image, in this specific case, that is not an issue. TomStar81 (Talk) 03:26, 14 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Hate to be a party pooper, but the SVGs which pass are usually a bit more complex. This is a bit... simple... for FPC, I think. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:39, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Original – The Garden at Sainte-Adresse is a painting by the French impressionist painter, Claude Monet. It depicts a garden at the resort town of Sainte-Adresse on the English Channel, near Le Havre.
Reason
High quality scan of a notable artwork. My friends in the northern hemisphere are probably tiring of snow.
Support per Hafs. Good to have one from his earlier, so to speak pre-Impressionistic, period. (Cf Le Grand Canal, from 40 years later, below.) Sca (talk) 14:22, 14 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support Certainly intriguing, with what are either spirit/ancestor houses, eccentric decoration, or more likely a peculiar interpretation of perspective specific to this period, "on top" of the building. Samsara10:25, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Pardon? I have not had difficulty seeing that she is a woman... that she does not conform with the common ideal of femininity is not really grounds to oppose. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:21, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
But don't judge it like you would judge a lead image. A lead image would be an identifying image, used because it best describes what she looks like. This image is used further down in the article to show her working - an action shot if you will. Given that it's already established what she looks like, it's not as important that we can't see her face well. Ðiliff«»(Talk)12:54, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Frankly, I don't think this is the spirit of WP:WIAFP, particularly point 3, unlike something like this or this. A featurable image of a person should also identify her/him and deserves the lead, but as you noted this one is placed somewhere below. Clicking the article in search of another image is not the best option, I think. Brandmeistertalk23:00, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Not every featured image has to be the lead image, particularly when the lead image is unable to show an important aspect of the subject and actually I think there are plenty of examples of featured pictures that are not lead images. For some subjects, being the lead image is important, for others, it's not. For example, an action shot of a sportsperson would be unlikely to be the lead image because a regular head shot portrait would make a better lead image. It may be that they're not easily identifiable in the action shot too but that doesn't necessarily take away from what the photo is intended to show. Likewise, it would be difficult to get a good regular head portrait that also shows them doing what they are famous for. A 'lead image' and an 'action shot' are very difficult kinds of photos and rarely the two shall meet. I don't think that makes either ineligible. You just need consider the purpose of the image and make allowances for it. Ðiliff«»(Talk)23:24, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I think Brandmeister's point was that the angle doesn't help with identification, but if we judge the image as it relates to the article (and we should), then it's fairly clear that she's a woman. The nominated image appears some way down the article, by which stage it's obvious. Besides, perhaps the name article's title, "Alison Bechdel" gives it away! ;-) Ðiliff«»(Talk)12:27, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Did you read Crisco and my replies to Brandmeister though? I feel like we comprehensively responded to his objection(s) which, if you choose to use 'per Brandmeister', seems to be ignored. In short: I don't think you need to see her face for this to be a valid illustration of her with her work, and yes she appears slightly androgynous but so be it, if that's how she looks then that's how she looks, surely? 22:32, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
I have to agree with Diliff; this here is an action shot, showing the cartoonist at work, drawing. To do so, there must be compromises. If she's actually drawing, she needs to face the canvas; otherwise it's very likely that she'd have made errors. If the camera were behind here, we'd get nothing but the back of her head (which would be compositionally poor). If the camera was over the canvas, then we'd get nothing of the work herself. The old self-portrait genre where painters held their brushes and looked forward while dabbing at the canvas just doesn't work in real life. As for the comments on her physical appearance, I'd have thought that we were all above that. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:06, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Androgynous is not a pejorative term.
As an ex-newspaper ed, I'd have to say that, since this "action shot" illustrates an article about the cartoonist, the subject of the pic should be identifiable. (Just an opinion.) Sca (talk) 17:54, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Androgynous is in itself not a pejorative term, but one might read a bit further into it when the subject is a lesbian, and somewhat stereotypically so, based on appearances. It's not difficult to interpret it as "for a woman, she doesn't look very feminine". I'm not suggesting that is what you you were saying, I'm just making the point that describing a lesbian as androgynous as part of your reasoning for an oppose could be seen to be a bit inflammatory and give people the impression that you're being judgemental about her appearance and/or her sexuality. The equivalent might be to point out that a gay man happens to look effeminate. Yes, some gay men look effeminate and some gay women look androgynous. Whether we're confused about if they're male or female isn't really the point. The point is, that's how they look. It's not as though this image misrepresents her appearance.
Also, if you want to compare it to a journalistic piece, I think the article probably more closely resembles a National Geographic or Time feature than a newspaper article. A typical newspaper article would have just a single photo to work with, whereas a Time magazine feature would typically have many images illustrating not just what she looks like (a portrait), but also photos of her in her environment, which gives you scope to go beyond mere identification and into more artistic and expressive photography. Ðiliff«»(Talk)19:16, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
David, I understand your rationale re sexual orientation, etc., but would suggest that nowadays we've moved beyond physical stereotypes. (As the sexual orientation entry notes, "an individual homosexual, heterosexual or bisexual person may be masculine, feminine, or androgynous....")
Indeed I was not attempting to characterize Ms. Bechdel in any adverse manner; I was simply saying that, based on the visual information presented by this photo, the gender of the subject was not readily apparent (as Brandmeister had noted). As a wordsmith by trade, I stoutly maintain that "androgynous" is not pejorative; that some may take it as such merely reflects personal or cultural assumptions about gender-specific physiognomies.
BTW, many newspaper articles are illustrated by more than one photo. However, if only one photo is to be used in this case, it would be quite simple to pose one adequately depicting both the cartoonist's style and the face of the cartoonist. Faces are of prime importance in conveying visual information about the subjects of feature stories, articles and profiles, regardless of the person's field – or, needless to say, gender. Sca (talk) 21:42, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Of course any individual person of any sexual orientation could appear masculine, feminine or androgynous. My point was just that a stereotype of male and female homosexuals does exist, rightly or wrongly, and Alison's physical appearance does lean towards androgynous/masculine IMO, which is the 'stereotypical' lesbian. I think we agree that it's irrelevant how masculine or androgynous she looks though, or whether she might be misidentified as a male. If it is indeed the case that she could be misidentified, it's simply because of how she actually looks, not because of how this image portrays her. But again, if we mistake her for a man, so what? Does it change anything? This image exists in an article about her, not in isolation. If, after landing on her article page, reading the title, seeing the female gender pronouns and reading about her life, we still can't identify her as female, that's not a problem with the image, it's a problem with us. ;-)
And yes, many newspaper articles are illustrated by more than one image, but if they are, do you really think they all have to identify the person equally well?
Wouldn't it be more common that as long as at least one of the numerous photos identifies the subject, it's increasingly less important that the rest do too?
There's no point considering a hypothetical of what we would do if only one image is to be used. We have more than one image in the article and we have no restriction on how many we can use. Given that the article already contains an identifying image in the infobox, I would argue that the subsequent images don't share the burden of identifying her. They are free to have more expressive or interesting compositions, such as the one we're discussing now. I still think the analogy of the Time magazine feature is a better way to consider a Wikipedia article on a person than a newspaper article. Obviously the text of a Wikipedia is written very differently to either, but the scope for photography shares a lot in common with Time magazine. Anyway, enough debate. If I still haven't convinced you, I'll stand down. :-) My intention is merely to engage, not to upset. Ðiliff«»(Talk)22:53, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
*Just echoing Diliff's thoughts on the term "Androgynous". Making comments on an individual's personal appearance in the midst of an oppose !vote suggests that said appearance is part of the basis of an oppose (even if that's not how the writer intended it), and thus comes across as akin to slighting the individual's personal appearance. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:44, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
No, no, no! Descriptive, not pejorative. (Sorry, but I think it's your perception that makes it pejorative.) Sca (talk) 00:02, 17 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sure our perception does factor into it, but likewise, I think it's impossible to separate a 'descriptive' statement from an intention, perceived or otherwise. Nobody makes random statements about someone's appearance without meaning something by it. Neither of us are assuming bad faith and accusing you of homophobia or anything of that sort, but we are questioning the relevance of mentioning androgyny, given that sexuality and the judgements that tend to come with it can be a bit of a tinderbox issue. Descriptive would be perfectly reasonable if someone asked you how you would describe her appearance, but that isn't really the purpose of the nomination. Oops, I said I was going to stand down. Ðiliff«»(Talk)00:59, 17 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Are we looking at the same picture? There is no blur (there is some noise, but no blur), and you couldn't get much more contrast without making the image look overprocessed. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:01, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support Good action shot of the artist at work. The fact that Bechdel is androgynous looking is not a valid reason to object to featured picture status! I find the arguments above to be extremely strange. The purpose of the image is to illustrate the article by showing you Alison Bechdel at work, not to prove to you that Alison Bechdel is a woman. I really can't see how her degree of feminine appearance bears on the status of the image. Kaldari (talk) 02:42, 17 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support An excellent and unusual photo emphasizing certain similarities between the artist and her life sized subject. The outstretched arms and touching hands, the similarities of hair styles and the overall connotations of the photo bring it to a very high quality level. Cullen328Let's discuss it04:33, 17 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support - even if I agree she looks like man, but then we will not have issues with her as a Picture of the Day...Like poor Michelle. And I have an userbox androgynous online, anyway. Hafspajen (talk) 04:50, 17 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support - I am completely and totally confused as to why her physical presentation is even being discussed. It is a photograph illustrating an artist at work. No where in the guidelines posted Wikipedia:Featured picture criteria does it state that a photograph of a person must be identifiably masculine, feminine, or even of that person. In particular, it says "It illustrates the subject in a compelling way, making the viewer want to know more" and this "A featured picture is not always required to be aesthetically pleasing; it might be shocking, impressive, or just highly informative." As the article is about an artist, she and her work together are what make her a noteworthy person. Thus an image of her work is highly informative and would be whether she was in the picture or not in it at all. Would there be objection if "David" were used as an image to illustrate Michelangelo? Oh Wait! he is Michelangelo. SusunW (talk) 05:33, 17 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – My original comment has been misunderstood by many. I apologize for not expressing myself with sufficient clarity. Because I've been criticized here, let me make the following points:
I was simply agreeing with Brandmeister's observation that, due in part to the angle of the photo, the subject's gender was not readily apparent.
In saying "rather androgynous," I was not making a pejorative comment about the subject's personal appearance or, by implication, putative sexual orientation.
Nor was my opposition to the photo based on the subject's supposed personal attributes.
Rather, my opposition was technical – based on the awkward angle of the photo with regard to the person pictured, particularly her face.
I myself am not homophobic. I believe widespread oppression of LGBT people is a major failing of U.S. society – and one that should be ameliorated, and hopefully corrected, by legislation to "add the words" to Title VII of the U.S. Civil Rights Act of 1964 and to corresponding state laws, including Idaho Title 67, Chapter 59, Section 67-5909.
(Disclosure: This user is a former intake officer for the Idaho Human Rights Commission.)
Thank you for explaining yourself a bit further. It would have been helpful had we not ventured into the area of physical appearances at all, but too late now. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:32, 17 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I repeat, the fact that the face of the artist is not showing is irrelevant. The artist is famous because art is produced. The picture shows an artist creating art. No one is famous because of their gender, they are famous because of something they do. All of the comments regarding gender are off-subject, IMO. Does the picture represent what the subject is famous for. Yes. Is it an interesting photo? Yes. Would seeing the artist's face in any way communicate that the artist is able to produce art? No. Would identifying the gender in any way change the ability to create art? No. Is it necessary to see the artist to know the work of the artist is theirs? No - case in point "David", "Starry Night", "The Scream" -- your mind just said Michelangelo, Van Gogh, Munch. SusunW (talk) 19:50, 17 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I am not sure that I agree with the face of the artist is not showing is irrelevant (what Michelangelo, Van Gogh, Munch?). It is rather relevant, BUT - THIS nomination does shows the face, from side-face, profile. And it is mirroring the face drawn by the artist, also side-face - in a rather delightful ballet of lines and forms, if anyone noticed that one. Also her hand drawing echoes the depicted in the picture, an other finesse. Her left arm is similar to the one depicted, kept in angle. So all this, I think is mostly what makes this picture a good photo. Hafspajen (talk) 20:19, 18 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support The picture is effective in conveying an impression of the subject, both in clearly showing her as a working artist, and in showing the resemblance between the artist and the figure the artist is drawing. Whether or not the picture shows a conventional gender appearance seems relevant only insofar as it might be different from the subject's usual preferred public presentation. In this case, her appearance in the photo seems to me perfectly in line with her usual public presentation, so should be a point favoring rather than opposing the use of this image. JohnMarkOckerbloom (talk) 19:57, 17 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Why is being able to identify a person conclusively on their Wikipedia page a necessity? This image is composed interestingly and has a compelling creator-composition theme. (In the interest of the Bechdel Test, I note that despite my masculine handle, I am cis female.) Gus andrews (talk) 23:50, 17 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support; I agree with Gus andrews that the image is interesting and has a compelling theme. Also, anyone acquainted with Bechdel's work will recognize her and her distinctive style - those not yet familiar will get a neat intro with this image. Sportlac (talk) 05:56, 18 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Just some clarification as to why the !vote above was stricken: it is FPC policy that !votes from editors with fewer than a hundred edits and whose accounts are newer than 25 days cannot be counted. We do welcome, however, all editors to comment on the image. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:23, 18 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
A few people with a focus on women on Wikipedia have tweeted it, but none of the tweets explicitly said "Vote to support this!" One was more or less "When Alison Bechdel is nominated at FPC" (when both oppose !votes above were the only ones on the page, aside from my nomination support) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:51, 22 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
But when you tweet about a controversial nomination to a partisan crowd, it's implicit that you'll be getting partisan visitors to that nomination. There's no need to be explicit to get the desired result... Ðiliff«»(Talk)11:24, 25 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Original – Soyuz TMA-14M spacecraft floated over a sea of golden clouds during its descent by parachute through planet Earth's dense atmosphere. On board were Expedition 42 commander Barry Wilmore of NASA and Alexander Samokutyaev and Elena Serova of the Russian Federal Space Agency (Roscosmos). Touch down was at approximately 10:07 p.m. EDT (8:07 a.m. March 12, Kazakh time) southeast of Zhezkazgan, Kazakhstan. The three were returning from low Earth orbit, after almost six months on the International Space Station as members of the Expedition 41 and Expedition 42 crews.
Reason
Just good enough for a FP with good EV and quality.
Support. OK, I'll bite. This is an impressive photo and presumably a difficult to capture event. Shame the parachute isn't a little higher in the sky perhaps, but it's nice as it is. Ðiliff«»(Talk)02:07, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Ah excellent The Herald - I wondered why I hadn't noticed that before... Thank god all my edits were pre that rule coming in - I now meet the criteria, but wouldn't have when I first started editing on this page... gazhiley16:25, 24 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Original In the 15th century Nederlands a wide variety of foods started to became available to the wealthy citizens of the Low countries, consisting of a rich variety of fruits, cheeses, meat, wine, and nuts. Tea and coffee consumption were increasing and becoming part of everyday life, often served with sweets, candy or marzipan and cookies. A Dutch mealtime in the 17th century could contain abundantly extravagant dishes. After soup, salad and meat dishes, savory tarts and pastries followed. The meal ended with jellies, cheese, nuts and sweet pastries, washed down with sweet spiced wine. Someting like above.
Reason
Original file 10,230 × 7,372 pixels, used, good quality scan. One of the rare early depictions of sugar in art. The wealthy Dutch Empire's trade enabled spices, sugar and exotic fruits to be imported to the country. Exotic ingredients such as dates, rice, cinnamon, ginger, nuts, and saffron were used.
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Original – Full length portrait of Étienne Maurice Gérard in 1816, a year after his actions at Waterloo. Gérard was an important soldier under Napoleon, rising to the rank of Marshal of France and Minister of War.
Reason
High quality scan of a portrait of an important French soldier politician.
I'm late to Women's History Month, but no matter. I found about 15 excellent photographs of women who are important any time of the year, and intend to work through them all. Starting off with notable Mexican artist Frida Kahlo, photographed by notable photographer Toni Frissell.
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Original – Portrait of Charles Gravier Count of Vergennes and French Ambassador, in Turkish Attire by Antoine de Favray. The ambassador has been depicted with a smoking pipe, in Turkish garb, while sitting in an Ottoman style room. The oil on canvas painting, which measures 141.5 x 113 cm, is in the collections of the Pera Museum.
Reason
Excellent portrait of the diplomat Charles Gravier and a good example of French orientalist art and turquerie. Gravier played an important role in Franco-Ottoman relations, both as ambassador and later as French Minister for Foreign Affairs. He commissioned the work from Antoine de Favray while in Constantinople.
I agree. I forgot to list the articles in order highest encyclopedic value when I nominated the painting. Currently the articles are just listed alphabetically. Feel free to change the order. P. S. Burton (talk)15:45, 22 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose great image, but I don't see the EV since we don't have much info on the painting itself, or the person in the painting. An article on either one would change my mind. Mattximus (talk) 13:12, 17 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Well, then I go for that, as a compromise. Was trying to figure out how the heck to do infoboxes with duble portairs, and failed, so far. Hafspajen (talk) 14:55, 18 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Original –. The image is based on the solitary Mariana from William Shakespeare’s Measure for Measure, written between 1601 and 1606. In the play, Mariana was to be married, but was rejected when her dowry was lost in a shipwreck by Angelo.
Reason
Google file, used, big enough. A "bed trick" is involved in Shakespeare’s plot. Angelo, who has previously refused to fulfill the betrothal binding him to Mariana, because her dowry had been lost at sea, will be soon framed.
Comment Slightly unhappy with what looks like peppercorn noise in the skin tones. Any ideas as to what that would be? Samsara17:41, 17 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - If you're nominating an image to represent the artist, please choose one which is the most representative. The greater the number of articles nominated/featured, the less EV each individual image has. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:48, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Where did you find this rule? please show me and link it. Paintings and photos evaluate here individually not for each painter just one work! Alborzagros (talk) 15:55, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
You are nominating several paintings by the same artist which do not have EV in and of themselves, but as representations of the artist's style. One painting is sufficient for that. WP:FP? requires an image to "Add significant encyclopedic value to an article and helps readers to understand an article."; "significant" is negated when there are multiple images showing much the same thing. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:56, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I've already quoted the rule. If you are unable to accept that, that's not my problem. J. Milburn has already explained my position as well. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:56, 17 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks I didn't mention the text in quotation mark (above) is from WP:FP. I thought that is your words. any way ... This painting Adds significant encyclopedic value to article, Jean-Honoré Fragonard (painter) and helps readers to understand that article. HOW? Blow the painting in the article we can see this words:«Landscape with Shepherds and Flock of Sheep, c. 1763-65, National Museum of Western Art, Tokyo» then now we can find out that:
One of Fragonard's painting is about Landscape with Shepherds and Flock of Sheep.
The painting is drawn in 1763-65.
It has been maintained in National Museum of Western Art in Tokyo. So reply my question:
Don't three items above add significant encyclopedic value to painter's article?
Don't three items above help readers to understand painter's article?
Oppose per Crisco, there needs to be some encyclopaedic value for the painting (perhaps an article on the painting) to justify nomination. Mattximus (talk) 13:14, 17 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - If you're nominating an image to represent the artist, please choose one which is the most representative. The greater the number of articles nominated/featured, the less EV each individual image has. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:48, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Where did you find this rule? please show me and link it. Paintings and photos evaluate here individually not for each painter just one work! Alborzagros (talk) 15:55, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Crisco didn't say that each painter can only have one FP. The FP criteria require that a potential FP "[a]dds significant encyclopedic value to an article and helps readers to understand an article". If it's "just another picture" or is not particularly representative of the artist's style (or both) it wouldn't meet this criterion. Josh Milburn (talk) 18:41, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Precisely. Where no article on the painting exists, generally scans of an artist's work do not have EV in and of themselves, but as representations of the artist's style (exceptions are possible, of course, like where a work depicts a historical battle or something, but that doesn't apply here). One painting is sufficient for such a purpose. As J. Milburn says, WP:FP? requires an image to "Add significant encyclopedic value to an article and helps readers to understand an article."; "significant" is negated when there are multiple images showing much the same thing. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:59, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I've already quoted the rule. If you are unable to accept that, that's not my problem. Down below, J. Milburn has already explained my position as well. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:56, 17 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks I didn't mention the text in quotation mark (above) is from WP:FP. I thought that is your words. any way ... This painting Adds significant encyclopedic value to article, Jean-Honoré Fragonard (painter) and helps readers to understand that article. HOW? Blow the painting in the article we can see this words:«Blind Man's Bluff, 1760, Toledo Museum of Art, Toledo, Ohio» then now we can find out that:
One of Fragonard's painting is about Blind Man's Bluff.
The painting is drawn in 1760.
It has been maintained in Toledo Museum of Art in Toledo, Ohio. So reply my question:
Don't three items above add significant encyclopedic value to painter's article?
Don't three items above help readers to understand painter's article?
Comment - Alb, slow down ... This a great painting too, hang on I might write an article on this too, if I only catch my breath. Hafspajen (talk) 18:43, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Not due to HQ but due to EV. I don't see much encyclopaedic value to this painting, there is no article of it's own, and it's not even clear that this is the very best painting by this painter. Mattximus (talk) 13:07, 17 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Actually it is one of his very best... the problem is that they are too many nominations on Fragonard right now. I am kind of pendling between writing an article on it righ now or wait a bit with it. I don't know - because we don't usually go nominarte 5 paintings of the same painter. Hafspajen (talk) 14:32, 17 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Well as I said, it is not impossible to put together an article, but at the moment I promised to write an other on my own nom, and I already wrote four or five more articles already for Alb, . .. so... I might wait. Actually I deserve a co-nom at least one of them. Hafspajen (talk) 01:12, 18 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - If you're nominating an image to represent the artist, please choose one which is the most representative. The greater the number of articles nominated/featured, the less EV each individual image has. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:48, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Where did you find this rule? please show me and link it. Paintings and photos evaluate here individually not for each painter just one work! Alborzagros (talk) 15:55, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
You are nominating several paintings by the same artist which do not have EV in and of themselves, but as representations of the artist's style. One painting is sufficient for that. WP:FP? requires an image to "Add significant encyclopedic value to an article and helps readers to understand an article."; "significant" is negated when there are multiple images showing much the same thing. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:57, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I've already quoted the rule. If you are unable to accept that, that's not my problem. Down below, J. Milburn has already explained my position as well. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:56, 17 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks I didn't mention the text in quotation mark (above) is from WP:FP. I thought that is your words. any way ... This painting Adds significant encyclopedic value to article, Jean-Honoré Fragonard (painter) and helps readers to understand that article. HOW? Blow the painting in the article we can see this words:«The Stolen Kiss, late 1780s, Hermitage Museum, Saint Petersburg» then now we can find out that:
One of Fragonard's painting is about The Stolen Kiss.
The painting is drawn in late 1780s.
It has been maintained in Hermitage Museum, Saint Petersburg. So reply my question:
Don't three items above add significant encyclopedic value to painter's article?
Don't three items above help readers to understand painter's article?
Crisco 1492 - you would't imagine the hits on internet ... Both serious sites, museums, big newspapers and millions of buy a reproduction of this wonderfull painting - stuff. A real famous painting... [User:Hafspajen|Hafspajen]] (talk) 17:07, 17 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support - EV is there and the quality is okay. However, the article still has relatively little on the painting itself, and it would be nice for it to be developed. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:13, 19 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah... I developed it a bit more, too, the painting bit. Alborzagros , you didn't answered my question. Do you mind me as co-nom? Feel like I was working more with this like any of my own current ones, wrote article, argued, place them in different other articles to increase EV.... PLEASE? Hafspajen (talk) 21:04, 19 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Abstain - Great painting. And I am not sure a "political" reason is useful for images, but I do not feel that a war theme, which may be interpreted in unpredictable ways, is the type art that the world needs more of now . . . from Wikipedia. HullIntegrity\ talk /15:43, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - If you're nominating an image to represent the artist, please choose one which is the most representative. The greater the number of articles nominated/featured, the less EV each individual image has. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:49, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Where did you find this rule? please show me and link it. Paintings and photos evaluate here individually not for each painter just one work! Alborzagros (talk) 15:55, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
You are nominating several paintings by the same artist which do not have EV in and of themselves, but as representations of the artist's style. One painting is sufficient for that. WP:FP? requires an image to "Add significant encyclopedic value to an article and helps readers to understand an article."; "significant" is negated when there are multiple images showing much the same thing. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:57, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I've already quoted the rule. If you are unable to accept that, that's not my problem. Down below, J. Milburn has already explained my position as well. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:56, 17 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks I didn't mention the text in quotation mark (above) is from WP:FP. I thought that is your words. any way ... This painting Adds significant encyclopedic value to article, Armand-Charles Caraffe (painter) and helps readers to understand that article. HOW? Blow the painting in the article we can see this words:«Metellus raising the siege, now at the Hermitage Museum in St. Petersburg.» then now we can find out that:
One of Armand-Charles Caraffe's painting is about Metellus raising the siege.
It has been maintained in Hermitage Museum in St. Petersburg. So reply my question:
Don't two items above add significant encyclopedic value to painter's article?
Don't two items above help readers to understand painter's article?
Oppose - If you're nominating an image to represent the artist, please choose one which is the most representative. The greater the number of articles nominated/featured, the less EV each individual image has. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:49, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Where did you find this rule? please show me and link it. Paintings and photos evaluate here individually not for each painter just one work! Alborzagros (talk) 15:55, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
You are nominating several paintings by the same artist which do not have EV in and of themselves, but as representations of the artist's style. One painting is sufficient for that. WP:FP? requires an image to "Add significant encyclopedic value to an article and helps readers to understand an article."; "significant" is negated when there are multiple images showing much the same thing. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:56, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I've already quoted the rule. If you are unable to accept that, that's not my problem. Down below, J. Milburn has already explained my position as well. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:56, 17 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks I didn't mention the text in quotation mark (above) is from WP:FP. I thought that is your words. any way ... This painting Adds significant encyclopedic value to article, Antoine de Favray (painter) and helps readers to understand that article. HOW? Blow the painting in the article we can see this words:«The Mirabita Sisters, Museum of Fine Arts, Houston.» then now we can find out that:
One of Antoine de Favray's painting is about Mirabita Sisters.
The painting is drawn in 1754/1764.
It has been maintained in Museum of Fine Arts, Houston. So reply my question:
Don't three items above add significant encyclopedic value to painter's article?
Don't three items above help readers to understand painter's article?
You are clearly not reading my comments. The paintings may individually have the EV necessary. Nominating all three negates that EV, as it says "Look, there are other images that work just as well." ("So why should this one be featured?" we ask) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:25, 17 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Original – Stitching the Standard by British artist Edmund Leighton, 1911. The painting shows a nameless damsel on the battlements of a medieval castle finishing a standard or pennant with a black eagle on a gold background. In a time of peace the woman has taken her needlework into the daylight away from the bustle of the castle.
Reason
One of the less known paintings. Digitized by Sotheby's before disappearance in another private collection.
Support - Which is probably redundant at this time, but I do so love to vote. I could totally use that image in my Love and Death in Literature class. Am I correct that is a battle standard? It is unclear (to me) in the composition if it square or not. HullIntegrity\ talk /15:17, 18 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Original – Papilio machaon is a butterfly of the family Papilionidae. First described by Linnaeus in 1758, it is found throughout the Palearctic realm. This specimen was photographed in Turkey.
Reason
A high quality image of the species, showing the important characteristics of the underside
The Death of Marat is perhaps the most famous image to arise out of the French Revolution, second only to the modern French flag. The painting has been cited time and again by numerous art critics as an illustration of many artistic techniques, such as negative space. The painting appears in practically every textbook that so much as touches on the French Revolution, be it in the fields of history or art. It is, in my mind at least, one of the most iconic paintings depicting a historical event of all-time, right up there with Washington Crossing the Delaware. I'm actually quite shocked it hasn't been nominated before.
Comment I really thought we had an FP of this. Still, this one is a rather underexposed production. That would need to be fixed in my opinion. Samsara17:27, 17 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Samsara I believed both of those to be true at first as well. Despite my searching, I couldn't find any version that had been nominated. In addition, while the capture appears to be underexposed, I believe closer inspection may tell a different story. Plus, I don't think someone would go through the trouble of making a 0.3 gigapixel capture and not have proper exposure. Of course, I'm not exactly an expert. Joshua Garner (talk) 19:01, 17 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I had a look at the histogram, and at the 796×1024 resolution, the top 2/5 of the histogram are unused. This may change slightly when looking at full res, as there may be additional specular highlights from the paint (as well as the general statistical properties of downscaling), but the essence of the low exposure will remain, and I believe this can be improved on. Samsara19:20, 17 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The canvas itself is important - important enough that for this painting Google didn't crop it like they normally do. We lose some details (very slight, but some) with the crop. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:07, 19 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Not only is the source dead, but Google searches for "van Strij" and "Jacob van" don't give any results on the webpage. Images without proper sources are not "the best" of what Wikipedia has to offer (I'm also concerned about the fidelity of the scan; there are no pure whites [RGB 255, 255, 255] in painting, suggesting that this has been digitally manipulated) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:08, 17 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
If you really would have inspected the image you would have known why this reproduction is not candidate for a featured picture. (And you can't derive that from the copy at RKD.) Jan Arkesteijn (talk) 11:37, 19 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Which image? This one nominated here? I did. Or is "I'm also concerned about the fidelity of the scan; there are no pure whites [RGB 255, 255, 255] in painting, suggesting that this has been digitally manipulated" not clear enough? The link to the RKD just confirmed my suspicions. Or do you mean the source you linked? The watermarks obviously render it inappropriate for FPC. Before you assume bad faith, try reading the discussion. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:23, 19 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Of course, if there's another reason for not featuring this, aside from the unnecessary digital manipulation and dead source, feel free to say it. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:28, 19 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Original – Rembrandt's Self-Portrait at the Age of 63 (1669) was the last selfie he undertook, and among the last of his paintings before he died in October 1669. He's lost almost everybody he loved by this stage (his son predeceased him the same year) and had been declared bankrupt after years of success, and there is suffering and sadness in the eyes.
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Original – The Kiss is an oil painting with gold leaf on canvas completed by Austrian Symbolist painter Gustav Klimt between 1908 and 1909. It depicts a couple embracing, their bodies entwined in elaborate robes decorated in a style influenced by both linear constructs of the contemporary Art Nouveau style and the organic forms of the earlier Arts and Crafts movement.
Reason
High quality scan of this interesting (and shiny!) painting. This is a more abstract depiction of kissing, with the same title as an earlier FPC.
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Original – According to the apocryphaActs of Peter Peter is fleeing from Rome to avoid crucifixion and along the road outside the city he meets Jesus, going in the opposite direction, carrying his cross. Peter asks Jesus "Quo vadis?", ("Master, where are you going?") to which he replies, "Romam vado iterum crucifigi" ("I am going to Rome to be crucified aga"). Peter returns to Rome. (1602)
Reason
Own article, good scan. A very rare representation of this subject in art, the Quo vadis, by Annibale Carracci (1560 –1609) who was a notable Italian Baroque painter, founder of the Bolognese School. This is one of his best known works. According to legend, this painting depicts a vision of Peter, about a meeting between Peter and Jesus. Also the book Henryk Sienkiewicz Quo Vadis: was awarded the 1905 Nobel Prize and a film has [been made]. The painting is in the National Gallery in London.
In Rome, where he moved in 1595, In his Domine, quo vadis? (ca. 1600) Christ appears as a powerful, seminude athlete. With the cross borne lightly on his shoulder, he strides forward past an amazed St. Peter and on toward us as if he were about to break out of the canvas. ... But there is also a preference for strong movement and a new sense of drama that belongs to the new age.
Brightness is a function of illumination, and therefore arbitrary. We could have an argument about reflectivity, but I don't think it will get us anywhere. Our job is to present the content in an encyclopaedic way, and that means choosing an exposure that will allow most people (i.e. the largest possible number of end devices) to discern reasonable detail of the painting. Increasing exposure does not falsify the painting. It simply turns the lights up (if an analogy is needed). Samsara15:44, 25 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
And what benchmark do you suggest using? The National Gallery has the painting. They can see it every day. They would presumably know if the scan is too dark or not. Anyways, at full size the painting looks absolutely fine. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:40, 27 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Well, pity that this nomination is going unnoticed, in spite of being posted for several days as needing feedback. Because it is a great artwork, and it became to be of great symbolic value. Looks like only we in Europe realize that this motive and the novel [14]Henryk Sienkiewicz Quo Vadis was written as drawing historical parallels between the occupied Poland and the occupied Polish people of his time and Nero's time. This was later applied to the communism. Asking Quo Vadis sometimes in an occupied country meant - whispering Where are we heading in this country? Are we on the right way? Shall we turn and go in the opposite direction? Were people got jailed it they asked these questions loud. All that in a country where this was not allowed. Yes it was symbolic, but a lot was written and said in a symbolic way in those times. It MEANT more than those words Peter said, Quo Vadis - it meant - think, maybe we are going in the wrong direction. And also combined with the fact that in East-Germany and Poland the religion was also playing a certain part in the resistance movement against occupation. But I guess one has to live in Europe to understand it, Americans probably don't get that instantly. Quo Vadis was a symbol of free thinking, free will and the right to question in a time none of this was allowed - just disguised in a religious question... Hafspajen (talk) 18:48, 27 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support Thank you, Hafspajen, for explaining all that. I had not known about the importance or meaning of the question before. I also agree that the colors of the painting might have gotten darker over the centuries, but some of the colors are quite strong even now. I'm wondering if the painting might have been painted in slightly dark tones because it was a vision, perhaps in a dream, or even a meeting on a road in the evening. CorinneSD (talk) 22:06, 27 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
High quality, high EV, prior image was very small and low resolution. Lead image with css image crop used to produce appropriately sized thumbnail in the article.
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Original – A young Lady and a Unicorn. "In the 7th century, the scholar Isidore of Seville ... helped popularize the myth that would serve as a hallmark in European folklore for centuries to come: Catching a unicorn is impossible…unless you have access to a virgin woman.”
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Domenico Zampieri (or Domenichino) (1581 –1641) was an Italian Baroque painter of the Bolognese School, a rather talented one. This school flourished in Bologna, between the 16th and 17th centuries in Italy, and rivalled Florence and Rome as the center of painting in the Italian Baroque era. The painting depicts Giulia Farnese, mistress to Pope Alexander VI. Rodrigo Borgia (Pope Alexander VI) fell in love with Giulia and decided to make her his mistress. ... Well, so much for that Unicorn.
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Original – The Mystical Nativity (c.1500) by Sandro Botticelli. This is his only signed work and contains unusual iconography for a Nativity. Combined with the usual symbolism surrounding Christ's birth, Botticelli also mixes in aspects of Christ's Second Coming, and the associated end of the world
Support - the first moment I saw this guy I said - it was a long time ago I saw anyone smiling so wonderfully, he is just so heartwarming. And a poet too, absolute high score. Hafspajen (talk) 02:45, 19 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
A very notable feminist writer and theorist. Probably best known for The Yellow Wallpaper. She was able to portray both the oppression in The Yellow Wallpaper and also propose better in books like Herland or With Her in Ourland. Next: A Nobel Prize winning scientist!
Support - I'd thought the wavy thing in the top-left corner was wrinkle damage, but it appears to be part of the original. A fern or something, maybe? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:12, 19 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
My impression is wrinkling in the backcloth at the time it was taken. Probably for framing reasons. Anyway, if anyone sees anything that can be improved, please let me know; There was a lot of damage around the edges of this, and some big fingerprints on the bottom. Adam Cuerden(talk)05:21, 19 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support – I think it's a nice photo. It captures some of her personality. Regarding the "wrinkles" in the upper left, I think it is actual fabric behind her, perhaps on a backdrop specifically set up for the photo. CorinneSD (talk) 21:32, 27 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Original – Portrait of a Man (1514) by Hans Baldung; this is an unknown sitter, but a wealthy man, possible a Swabian of noble origins, according to the National Gallery, London, who hold the piece. Baldung was contemporary with Albrecht Dürer, and was possibly trained by him.
Support - There's something modern about the large, somewhat geometric areas of strong color, isn't there? I love this painting. I think the rich man who is posing is just tired of standing or sitting there. CorinneSD (talk) 00:07, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Original – The banishment of Cordelia, the youngest of King Lear's three daughters in the play of the same name. She is banished for refusing to profess her love to him in return for one third of the land in his kingdom, saying that there is nothing to compare her love to, nor words to properly express it.
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High quality scan of an interesting and useful work. Gives us a reason to promote more Shakespeare.
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This picture is of high quality, really high resolution, among Wikipedia's best work, has a free license tag, is verifiable, is of encyclopedic value, and has a suitable description, and can avoid inappropriate digital manipulation.
Oppose Nice composition and good EV, but the glare or fog at the upper left of the photo means that this isn't a great photo Nick-D (talk) 07:29, 21 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose and Reject crop proposal - no amount of cropping will remove the fog that is present on the majority of the picture, plus as per Nick-D the composition (minus fog) is really nice. gazhiley12:25, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]