Support So use dry technical terms.... That is so cool! Also, a dramatic and interesting illustration of the article with historical significance. North8000 (talk) 01:10, 27 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support I do like the lighting and angle of this image better than the other picture of the same lens in the gallery; however, like JKadavoor, the railing is a little distracting to me and I think it would be a little better if it were cropped out. Hersfoldnon-admin(t/a/c)19:35, 30 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The subject is interesting and useful, and the image is technically high quality, but the composition and lighting is low quality. -Fjozk (talk) 16:47, 31 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. This is a worthwhile picture as far as illustrating the subject is concerned, but for me it has insufficient artistic quality to raise it to "featured picture" status. 86.160.84.230 (talk) 02:18, 1 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: it was recoloured re to be more "eye-friendly" but I'm not convinced - it makes the red pointing circles harder to discern. Grandiose(me, talk, contribs) 10:38, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support: This has to be both the simplest and most informative diagram of a bicycle I have ever seen. I can't imagine a better diagram ever being uploaded and see no reason why this image should not be featured. 16bitz19:10, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I noticed that unusual thing earlier; but not very disturbing to me. Instead it acts as a handle to hold and group the links together. Moving the letters left and right to avoid the overlapping may better; but it is just my taste. Jkadavoor (talk) 07:12, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: Graphically this is rather crude, although more or less technically correct. It would be a lot clearer as a simple line drawing, for example the cranks would stand out from the chainring not blend into the dark mass there, and coloured rims distract from the pointers as above. It's absolutely basic in diagrams that your pointers don't cross over, or touch other things - the front derailleur label goes right over the rear one. The grey boxes are distracting and serve no purpose. Finally, the labels are grouped semi-logically e.g. the head tube is part of the frame, there are no labels for brake levers or brake cables. A very definite 'no' to FP as it stands. ProfDEH (talk) 07:36, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: The underlying line drawing is in fact very nicely done, lots of clear detail, and it would be great to see that without any colour, or just a light tone that highlights the solid parts but keeps all the detail visible. That and rearrange the labels a bit. ProfDEH (talk) 07:45, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as is A few important things are missing, like the stem, or much mention of braking components (lever, cable, should say front caliper break). It would be nice to have a rear caliper brake and a front disc brake to illustrate both types of components there. I'm not a huge fan of the arbitrary grouping ("Saddle Area" is just something invented for this particular diagram, better not to mention it, "Group set" is usually the name given to the drive train components including the crankset but not the pedals). JJ Harrison (talk) 08:39, 20 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support very clear,concise and uncluttered.One minor nitpick-should it be tire or tyre-I'm not certain whether this is a 'British' or 'US' article Lemon martini (talk) 12:25, 20 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. It's a shame that the trees in the foreground obliterate the side of the building, but short of a bit of urban vandalism of those trees, there's not a lot we can do about that... Thanks for the extra link Jkadavoor but tbh the nom is streets above that one, mainly because it's, well, "above street" level... The angle of your link means that a large amount of the building is hidden... gazhiley10:03, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support with note to Tomer T that in the article, the captions don't need periods because they're not sentences, so you didn't need to add the periods. --Pine✉16:57, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support I really love the angle, this is how all buildings should be photographed. Agree that the lighting is a bit bland and that the trees obscure the building, but still, an amazing photo. Aaadddaaammm (talk) 18:54, 19 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. I'm assuming this has been stitched as it's exhibiting fairly common distortion caused by cylindrical projection. Sometimes it's aesthetically pleasing but I'm not sure it is in this case... It makes the building look bulbous (not helped by the curved domes on top). I think a rectilinear projection would be more appropriate for this image. Ðiliff«»(Talk)22:36, 27 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support, after some thought I have to agree with Bruce1ee (talk·contribs) regarding high educational and high encyclopedic value, in addition to high quality of the image for usage with such purposes in mind. — Cirt (talk) 17:20, 3 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose While this is a valiant attempt at good photography, the text is a bit blurry when viewed at full size, and the Hilton sign in the background is unwelcome. --Pine✉23:18, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as well, I also don't think the big photographic banner in the background would be covered under FOP in the UK, so there is a potential copyright issue here. — raekyt08:55, 29 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I suppose that when you shoot from the point of monument's inscription, the Hilton sign would be inevitably there (don't know about the background portrait though). Brandmeistertalk12:14, 29 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Raeky - the background image is almost certainly not covered under FOP and may present copyright issues with the image. The Hilton sign is also a problem. It looks as though you're not quite centered on the inscription text; if you change the angle a bit, you might be able to obscure any recognizable parts of that backdrop with the monument itself and avoid the issue entirely. It's a very good image, but unfortunately the potential issue with FOP is a non-starter. Hersfoldnon-admin(t/a/c)18:11, 31 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose Pine's right - the focus looks ok at thumbnail size, but at full resolution things get a bit fuzzy. It might be possible to sharpen things up a bit using an image editor, but sometimes they add a lot of noise to the image, so use caution. Hersfoldnon-admin(t/a/c)18:07, 31 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Original – Main building of Moscow State UniversityCropped version
Reason
Great picture, excellent lighting. (Hasn't met the one-week requirement yet, but as it obviously belongs where it is and I don't see any better daytime photo of the main building, it's not going to get replaced.)
I added a crop, though I'm not entirely convinced that it makes it better as it loses a bit of the dramatic wide-angle feeling with the clouds and such. -- King of♥♦♣ ♠ 07:50, 19 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
commons:COM:FOP#Russia. If you take a photograph of a building, it may not be free in some countries, in particular Russia. However, we ignore these restrictions here because we only care about US law, but Commons does care. -- King of♥♦♣ ♠ 13:31, 22 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. The image quality is very good, and as far as I'm concerned, the 'distortion problem' is not important, but the upward looking angle and the scaffolding in the foreground doesn't really help the composition. I'm left wishing I could see it from a better vantage point. Ðiliff«»(Talk)22:33, 27 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The green metal poles are permanently placed there. On crowded days such as Fridays, sheets of material are placed over them to act as an extension of the mosque. --Muhammad(talk)08:33, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support I too wish if the photographer can stand in the same level of the courtyard; but assume there is no possibility considering the steps in front. JKadavoorJee15:59, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Original – A 360° panorama of the coral reef near Heron Island, Queensland, along the Great Barrier Reef. The image was taken with the Seaview SVII underwater survey camera, which is being used by the Catlin Seaview Survey to create visual records of the health of coral reefs and to raise public awareness of threats to coral reefs. This and similar images are available to the public through "virtual dives" on the Survey's website and on Google Maps. The distortion evident near the top and bottom of the image is the result of rendering this image in a rectangular form rather than a 3D model as seen on Google Street View. (View as a 360° panorama on the Toolserver)
Oppose I'm going to have to oppose here, first, we have tons of great underwater photography freely licensed on Commons. The big issue with this is the perspective is just VERY strange, it stretches very weirdly along the bottom and is nothing at all like a "normal" perspective. I don't know what scientific parameters they're using to capture the images with this kind of distortion, or if it can be programically undone or is done so it can be stitched together better with automated software or what, but this image is just weird and hurts my head to look at it. Therefore I can't support it as "our best work." — raekyt08:58, 29 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I don't want to seem like I'm hounding, but as the caption mentions, the distortion is actually part of the EV of the image. The image is captured as a 360-degree panorama, allowing the viewer to look in any direction when it's rendered properly (up and down as well as left and right and such). When rendered in that form, there is little to no distortion at the top and bottom "edges." Here, the image is rendered similar to a map of the world - I think using the Mercator projection, although I may be wrong. The point being, the image is best represented as the inside surface of a sphere, and that's how it was meant to be displayed. That distortion you see is indicative of this, and the best way we have at our disposal to demonstrate that to the reader within our article. Hersfoldnon-admin(t/a/c)15:22, 29 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe it would have good EV for an article on the method of making that 360 view if we have one, or that projection method, but otherwise I think it has less EV... is that how all the images are taken for that survey to be displayed for google? Looks like only a very small few was used by Google for some novelty on their maps program, the majority of the images from this project I doubt are rendered this way since it would make it more difficult to do a survey for which they're intended. Rendered this way, viewing this way, it's odd.... EV for this project is low, an image of the actual underwater craft would be MUCH higher EV... — raekyt16:49, 29 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
All of the images taken as part of this survey are available in the proper 3D view on the group's website - there's a link to one such tour at the bottom of the article. Some - in time, maybe all, I'm not entirely sure - will eventually be available on Google as well (they've six locations already). They also provide public access to the "flat" versions like this one, which is where I downloaded this image after handling the copyright stuff. So no, they likely won't use "flat" versions of the image for survey data, but we have no means by which to display the 3D version here. I agree it looks odd, but it does make it very clear that the image is meant to be seen in a 3D view, thus illustrating the capabilities of the camera. (Since you mention it, the article does contain an image of the camera itself, but it's a little fuzzy and not FP-quality.) Hersfoldnon-admin(t/a/c)17:22, 29 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support The image is being used to illustrate this particular scientific photography endeavor, and it is the proper choice of subject and shows the distortions. -Fjozk (talk) 16:52, 31 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Original – The three medal winners of the Womens Olympic Road Race in London as they pass by Upper Richmond Road in South West London, approximately 10km from the finish. From left to right: Lizzie Armitstead, Marianne Vos and Olga Zabelinskaya.Alt 1
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Reason
It's certainly not a pixel-perfect portrait, but given the very challenging conditions (poor lighting and heavy rain), I think it's a pretty successful photo of a subject that we have little quality photography of, and this is a fairly prominent event in the cycling world - The Womens Road Race at the London Olympics. The photo is taken in the closing stages of the race and focus is on the middle rider and eventual winner, Marianne Vos of the Netherlands. The rear rider, showing fierce determination is British Lizzie Armistead, with Russian rider Olga Zabelinskaya leading them into the closing stages. Water is flying everywhere, pouring down from the sky, and spraying up off the tyres of the bikes. Lighting them from the rear is the official's car just out of frame. It was understandably a tricky shot to get as I had just a split second to lean past the crowd, try to avoid waving flags/heads/arms getting in the shot, then frame, pan and track the cyclists as they passed by, and hope that they focus stayed locked in.
When you say more lead room, do you mean more space on the right side of the frame? This can be accommodated, there is a bit of space available that I chose to crop, but there is an official in fluorescent green standing there which I thought was a bit distracting. I'll upload it as an alternative. Ðiliff«»(Talk)11:58, 30 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support original - The yellow jackets in the foreground (of Alt 1) and background work to draw your eyes away from the bikers, which of course should be the main focus of the image. This is a very good shot, though, particularly under the circumstances. Hersfoldnon-admin(t/a/c)18:43, 31 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support both, I would go for the original, although I don't mind Alt 1 – the yellow jacket on the right tends to balance out the one on the far left. —Bruce1eetalk07:08, 2 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support original This is a highly dramatic photo with lots of EV. I find the yellow jackets in the alternate distracting, though it's also a fine photo. Nick-D (talk) 08:51, 2 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support both can't really decide, but I am leaning towards supporting the original. Their yellow jacket is a little bit distracting.--Tomcat(7)11:24, 3 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Excellent detail, good perspective, although it's a shame that there's the tip of something poking up from the bottom-right corner. Ðiliff«»(Talk)19:57, 1 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Oppose I'm getting a strong sense that this has had an unnatural level of post processing, in particular that kitschy bleach bypass type effect. It weakens the EV. JJ Harrison (talk) 00:32, 3 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. This kind of photo would always be move valuable with more information, as its limited, not terribly helpful use in articles demonstrates. It would be more valuable in wrinkle if her age were known, more valuable in Demographics of Nepal (and potentially other articles) if her ethnicity were known. Chick Bowen01:46, 3 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Manang is not ethnically heterogeneous. People from manag are called nyeshang or manang-bas; they speak their own language, Manang language, and are adherents of Bon. Several volumes have been published on the region and are likely to contain further information if required. Also note that for the purposes of the 2001 Nepal census, Bonpo were lumped with buddhists; fwiw, by this classification, only 3 of the 515 people in the village administration area were *not* "bouddha" in religious orientation; these three were Hindu, which we can exclude with a high degree of certainty for the woman depicted. Samsara (FA • FP) 13:53, 4 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support, high quality, historical value and scientific therefore of course educational and encyclopedic value is also high in this particular case. — Cirt (talk) 19:21, 3 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Oppose Only his face is in focus. The left side of his head (his right side) is out of focus, the left side is only partly in focus, and the top of his head is soft. The technical defects detract considerably from the EV. Dusty77717:32, 8 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support Alt It's not entirely in focus, but the angle of the picture, as well as the stronger sharpness increase the quality considerably, and contribute strongly to the EV. Dusty77702:21, 10 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Original – The Shapley–Folkman lemma is illustrated by the Minkowski addition of four sets. The point (+) in the convex hull of the Minkowski sum of the four non-convex sets (right) is the sum of four points (+) from the (left-hand) sets—two points in two non-convex sets plus two points in the convex hulls of two sets. The convex hulls are shaded pink. The original sets each have exactly two points (shown as red dots).
Reason
This is the best illustration of the Shapley–Folkman lemma in human history. Shapley's 2012 receipt of the Nobel Prize in Economics (to be awarded in December) makes this topical.
Oppose. Comment [I understand now that I cannot vote unless logged on with an account]. Incomprehensible, even after reading the opening of the article. I'm not saying it would not make sense with further study, but to be a featured picture, it needs to be more accessible than this. 81.159.107.19 (talk) 01:19, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Please rephrase your oppose so that it includes a "specific rationale that, if addressed, would make you support the image". Would it be fair to say that "the caption is too complicated and a drastically simplified caption should be substituted"? I suggest an alternative caption below, which is simpler.Kiefer.Wolfowitz13:28, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Alternative caption:
Minkowski addition and convex hulls. The sixteen dark-red points (on the right) form the Minkowski sum of the four non-convex sets (on the left), each of which consists of a pair of red points. Their convex hulls (shaded pink) contain plus-signs (+): The right plus-sign is the sum of the left plus-signs. This picture illustrates that the convex hull of the sum of sets is the sum of the sets' convex hulls.
Comment Its taken me a while to understand the picture. It wasn't until I got down to Shapley–Folkman lemma#Statements that in became clear. The statement which made it clear was if a point x lies in the convex hull of the Minkowski sum of N sets then x lies in the sum of the convex hulls of the summand-sets. Even that needs some decoding, first take the four sets on the left which consist of two points each. Take all posible sums of points from each set (the Minkowski sum) this gives the 16 red dots on the left. Next form the convex hull, imaging stretching a rubber band around all the points, the convex hull is all the points inside the band, this gives the pink region on the right. The convex hull of each of the sets on the left is just the pink lines joining the dots. Finally we get to the lemma, take any point in the pink region on the right, this must be the sum of four points on the pink lines on the left. This is illustrated by the + signs.
As to the actual image, one you understand the lemma it is a very elegant illustration. However, it maybe a bit too concise, trying to put everything in one diagram, which is a impressive feet, may make it a bit harder to follow. The steps could be broken down into 4 or 6 images. A) the four sets, just with the dots, B) their Minkowski sum - the 16 dots on right, C) & D) convex hulls of A) & B), E) & F) final pic with + signs. A caption making it clear that the 16 dots on the right is the MS of the sets on the left might also help. --Salix (talk): 00:47, 6 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the substantial comments. :) The statement that the convex hull of the sum is the sum of the convex hulls is a preliminary result, not the Shapley Folkman lemma (which states that an even more surprising fact, which is illustrated by David's drawing)! Kiefer.Wolfowitz16:54, 6 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Ah get it now. As the dimension of problem is 2 the point must be the sum of four points only 2 of which can be in the convex hulls.
Rather than a featured picture I think this would be a good candidate for the Picture of the Month in Portal:Mathematics. It would need a much improved caption so its clear what the statement of the lemma really is. Maths picture of the month does allow for a more extensive caption. Its also worth pointing out the significance of the lemma as Shapley won the 2012 Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences.--Salix (talk): 12:35, 7 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Rather than "can be", you mean "need be", I think. :)
The criteria for featured pictures do not include general accessibility, as far as I read. Would you, Tomcat, or the IP link this policy, please? Kiefer.Wolfowitz17:59, 7 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
My knowledge of Wikipedia policy does not extend that far I'm afraid! However, I would argue that the image has no great intrinsic skill or merit, and is something that anyone with a basic familiarity with computer drawing packages could easily produce. Therefore, its only potential claim to fame* is its explanatory power, and I currently find its explanatory power conspicuously lacking. You could say it explains the theorem to people who already understand it, but is unintelligible to people who don't. 86.167.19.237 (talk) 21:27, 7 November 2012 (UTC) * I mean, in a "featured picture" sense. I'm sure it is a very worthwhile addition to the article itself...[reply]
David's picture was the first and may be the only illustration of the Shapley-Folkman lemma in world literature. You can see some hand-waving illustrations of the "convexification on average of Minkowski addition" in Mas-Colell's New Palgrave article on convexity and in Dimitri Bertsekas's book on nonlinear programming (cited in our SF lemma article), but there may still be no other illustration of the SF lemma---certainly not before Eppstein's picture (2010).
The criterion for judging pictures is the picture's contribution to the article, not the accessibility of the mathematical theorem (or the technique needed to produce this illustration, once David has made the conceptual break-throughs). David is a Professor of Computer Science who specializes in computational geometry, and I suspect that his use of colors, etc., rewards attention.
Right, it may be that I am misunderstanding the scope of the "featured picture" award. I imagined featured pictures ought to be of fairly wide appeal and interest, and accessible, at least on some level, to most people reading the encyclopedia. If that's not the case then my objections on the grounds that almost everyone won't understand it go away. 86.167.19.237 (talk) 00:09, 8 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Support Yes, it does illustrate the lemma. But I'm not convinced it does so really clearly. The example given in the text of article is much easier to understand ('The Shapley–Folkman lemma implies, for example, that every point in [0, 2] is the sum of an integer from {0, 1} and a real number from [0, 1]'). JJ Harrison (talk) 13:03, 10 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
My support is weak because I think three points in the plane might be less confusing.
I suppose that you mean three pairs of points (to be summed).
The lemma states a proposition that depends on the dimension of the space and not on the number of summands. So having four summands illustrates this take-home message, which is the reason that this lemma is so important in economics.
I had the same thought. :) However, Three pairs of distinct points (having line segments as their convex hulls) would be simpler, yet three summands do not lend themselves to symmetric graphical-representation. David's four-windows treat the four summands symmetrically. Kiefer.Wolfowitz13:10, 10 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Original – The circumradius (blue) and inner radius (green) of a set (dark red, with its convex hull shown as the lighter red dashed lines). The inner radius is smaller than the circumradius except for subsets of a single subset (a disc), for which they are equal.
Reason
Best illustration and perhaps the only illustration in the literature, which simply uses the definitions (without illustration). The distinction between inner radius and circumradius explains why the Shapley–Folkman–Starr theorem is an improvement over the Shapley–Folkman theorem.
Comment: I'd like to see some verification provided. I assume there is some academic paper or textbook that could be cited to show that the information presented is correct. Grandiose(me, talk, contribs) 11:44, 4 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Reply The information is correct because it simply applies the definitions found in the original article (Starr). I understand that supremum and infimum operators are difficult to understand for persons who've not studied university mathematics; you could ask at the WikiProject Mathematics for additional confirmations. However, Jacob Scholbach, Geometry guy, and other mathematicians have scrutinized the article as it went through GA and A class nominations (successful) and its FA nomination (unsuccessful, because of failure on "brilliant prose"): Perhaps you could first scan those nominations and judge the comments about the content and its being based on reliable sources, before asking for new confirmations? (In response to your query, I left a notice at the WikiProject Mathematics.) Sincerely, Kiefer.Wolfowitz10:13, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
There is a little more detailed explanation of correctness that can be given. The outer circle is optimal because it has three points forming an acute triangle on its boundary; enclosing all three of these points by a different circle would be larger, regardless of whether it contains any of the other points. For the same reason the inner circle can't be changed to be near to its current position without making it smaller. and in the other parts of the point set the points are placed so densely as to make it obvious that there is no larger inner circle anywhere else. —David Eppstein (talk) 15:51, 6 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm, the criteria were a little more lenient on this point than I'd expected - they allow for verification in the article. Whilst I am uncertain whether that ought to be allowed, it clearly is. I'm certain this is supported by the sources in the article. Support. Grandiose(me, talk, contribs) 11:47, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
This seems to me to be a self-evident illustration of the concepts. The set is finite (and hence compact), and so the extrema are attained: The radii can be confirmed using a protractor (as in sophomore geometry in US high schools). The inequality of the radii is obvious. What is your concern? Kiefer.Wolfowitz12:14, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I should have replied sooner. My concern is with verifiability. One man's self-evident is different to another man's, surely a princple we apply to articles all the time. For me to be able to verify the image, I'd need to look at an outside work, a book or article. Now I was under the impression, when I first commented, that such verification had to be given on the image page, but I was mistaken. In this case, it is clearly provided in the article and its sources. Grandiose(me, talk, contribs) 16:31, 6 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I saw that. I don't have the tools to fix it but I would appreciate it if someone who can fix it would do so. I don't think it has any meaningful effect on the EV or clarity of the photo but I agree it would be nice to have that tilt adjusted. --Pine✉04:03, 3 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I rotated it 0.7 degrees clockwise, and uploaded over the old file since it was such a tiny change. If anyone thinks this should be uploaded separately as an edit, feel free to revert me. Remember to purge your cache to see the edit. Chick Bowen23:54, 3 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
OpposeThe US Navy frequently releases posed photos of carrier groups, and this isn't a good example as the carrier group here is much smaller than the norm (they normally include several more surface warships and at least one submarine) and the sky conditions aren't great. The head-on viewpoint also makes it impossible to identify the other ships in the group, which also means that the photo doesn't make it clear that these forces involve several different types of ships. Nick-D (talk) 00:37, 4 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Group size in photo is consistent with the description in the article. One carrier, one cruisers, two destroyers, one supply ship. Rmhermen (talk) 05:51, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The submarines are missing, and the ship at the front appears to be an Oliver Hazard Perry class frigate, which I don't believe typically deploy as part of carrier groups (I think that they're now typically used for patrol work as their missile systems have been removed). Nick-D (talk) 11:34, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment:I agree it looks to small for a cruiser - but the article says the submarines are optional. If the article is wrong it needs to be changed. Rmhermen (talk) 18:45, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Were the ships positioned in this formation for the sake of the photo, or is this arrangement of the ships (including the distance between them) typical for deployments at sea? If the latter, this photo would have high EV. Spikebrennan (talk) 15:00, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
It says in the caption in Carrier strike group that "such a formation would not be used in combat", and it also states that "ships assigned to the USS George Washington Carrier Strike Group sail in formation for a strike group photo". It appears that is was probably set up for the purpose of taking a picture, so the EV is not very high. Dusty77717:14, 6 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I do like the picture, but I worry that the structure itself is of limited notability; we have no article on it. It's not been at the head of the article for that long, and why should it be this, rather than a more famous example? J Milburn (talk) 23:25, 31 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure if that was coincidental, but I recognise the name of the photographer that you linked to.. Saffron Blaze? He's a Wikipedia contributor. Maybe he'd be able to upload a higher resolution version of it, if he hasn't already (I haven't checked commons). Ðiliff«»(Talk)20:30, 1 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I wrote a very quick stub for Harhoog based on the German version. There isn't much info that I could find. Amusing note: if you Google "Harhoog," Google says "Did you mean: yahoo." Chick Bowen04:41, 2 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Support Picture is of fair quality. Seems a little soft, has a slight tilt, and has some very light noise scattered throughout, but the EV is good enough that it deserves a weak support. Dusty77717:19, 8 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Alt, Support Original Alt has blown highlights in the top left, is soft, and the five saints at the top have their heads cut off. The original does not have the EV the ALT does, but the technical quality is better. Dusty77717:27, 8 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Original – The entrance foyer of the Victoria and Albert Museum, featuring an 11 metre high, blown glass chandelier installed in 2000.
Reason
It's a wide, vertically perspective corrected view of the entrance foyer of the Victoria and Albert Museum in London, the "world's largest museum of decorative arts and design".
Could you be more specific? If you're referring to the dynamic range, which I found was the biggest challenge with this photo, then I accept that criticism, but I don't think the only solution is waiting for improvements in camera technology. An exposure blend may help, for example. However, it wouldn't be easy in this photo as it's four segments (2x2) stitched, and taken handheld while leaning a long way over the balcony to avoid the edges from appearing in the frame. I'm not sure that I could hold the camera particularly steady for longer exposures necessary for bracketing, but I could try. Ðiliff«»(Talk)12:59, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know why you would assume that the colour change between left and right is a camera issue though. The camera wouldn't create such blatant colour shifts across a scene. There are quite different light sources: left side is natural lighting coming in from the entrance, right side is fluorescent, middle is incadescent. The leftmost arch has an array of cables hanging from the roof which is what you're seeing there. Yes, it's a bit noisy and isn't rendered cleanly, but fine lines in dark areas rarely are at the best of times, even at low ISO. As for the view through the rightmost arch, I wouldn't really call it overexposed - it's just reflected light in the gold trim, which is pretty hard to avoid. I don't think there are any truly blown highlights there. Ðiliff«»(Talk)09:46, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Whatever the technical merits, this is a very formal architectural space and the casual angle it's seen from here fails to convey that. At the very least it should be possible to see some element of symmetry. ProfDEH (talk) 14:06, 6 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
It's not possible to take a photo from a symmetrical angle. The best position would be from a central position in front of the pillars (obviously not realistic). The only other symmetrical position is the middle of the balconies. However, I tried that too and the resulting distortion is very unpleasant - more (IMO) than the lack of symmetry here. In such a small space, to fully capture the entire room while minimising distortion, this view is it unfortunately. Ðiliff«»(Talk)18:26, 6 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Yes I know that is the case, but it isn't a reason to support FP. The space is square and I do think the image lacks value if that is not immediately apparent, even to an architect. Actually I rather like the distorted wide angle rejected view, it explains the space very much better. Isn't there a way to reduce the distortion, maybe by not fully correcting the verticals?ProfDEH (talk) 19:34, 6 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I don't believe it's possible to reduce the distortion. Not fully correcting the verticals results in this, which is even worse. Because the angle of view on the vertical is so high, correcting the distortion of the floor dramatically increases the distortion of the roof, not to mention the vertical lines are no longer straight. It's just one of those scenes that you cannot photograph without distortion. All you can do is minimise it by selecting the best available position, which I think I did. You're right though, it's not an argument in favour of featuring it if you don't think the perspective works. Ðiliff«»(Talk)20:41, 6 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
(I'm not entirely sure this is the right place to discuss this but) the corrected symmetrical version really shows what is going on so well, you can crop it to a portrait format and still get the sense of a square space and the interconnected aisles or whatever they are called. ProfDEH (talk) 19:58, 7 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I tried "squashing" the alternative to around 2/3 its size and the distortions seemed to disappear. Would it be possible to do so more effectively? --Muhammad(talk)21:02, 7 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure exactly what you mean by squashing it to 2/3 it's size? Do you mean in both dimensions (not sure how that would help), or do you mean just vertical or just horizontal? I tried both to see what you meant, and neither seemed to remove distortions IMO. In any case, because of the nature of the projection used, I don't think linear compression is the answer, any 'fix', if there were to be one, would be a complex non-linear compression. Ðiliff«»(Talk)00:07, 8 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Regretful oppose This is a good image which would have required a lot of experience and work to execute. However, I think that the distortions to the foyer are too great for it to be of FP standard; a feature of the V&A's foyer is that it's fairly cramped, and this gives an illusion of space. Nick-D (talk) 22:30, 9 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support, provides a significant level of quality panoramic of the locale, beautiful, places the area within its surroundings nicely. — Cirt (talk) 23:11, 4 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support the white seems washed out on some of the buildings, but except for that relatively minor problem I think this photo is worthy of FP. --Pine✉18:38, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support This is below our threshold for image size (1,248 × 2,411) however the technical challenges of photographing such an object are considerable. From the exif data, the carpet appears to have been scanned by the V&A -- it would be hard to photograph with a camera. So I think the exclusions to image size apply. The carpet is historically important and the image valuable for the article, so the EV is very high. Colin°Talk13:08, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
What makes you think an object like this COULDN'T be imaged at massively high gigapixel resolution? It's flat, easy to scaffold to get camera equipment over and can a massive image can be stitched together out of many smaller photographs.. not technically difficult for a museum to pull off, and has likely been done. — raekyt08:56, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
So, perhaps you want to raise the resolution threshold for artwork to "gigapixel" now? After all, Google Art Project shows it is technically possible. Just because something is theoretically possible, doesn't mean that's going to happen. Colin°Talk11:32, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
6 pixels an inch for a work is sufficiently high resolution to represent our best work? You going to drop the bar that low? — raekyt12:16, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I did think twice about this because of the low resolution. But I balanced that disappointment over the fact that this is one of the most important carpets in history and has been imaged flat-on rather than the side-glance that most folk at the V&W will get. It is just a judgement-call. Colin°Talk12:54, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Strange I'm the only person to bring this up.. but a carpet isn't exactly a 2D work, and a photograph of it likely is still copyrightable. The source of this image appears to be the museum in the UK, so copyrighted... Is there any precedent to state that a carpet/tapestry is 2D enough to not generate a copyrightable photograph? — raekyt08:51, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Secondly the carpet is 34½ feet by 17½ feet ( 10,5 metres x 5,3 metres), this is an absolutely tiny image, just barely squeaking past our current size requirements for such a HUGE object... — raekyt08:53, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Look at this picture. Its size and position make it impossible for anyone to take a better photograph. We are completely at the mercy of the V&A releasing their scanned image online, at whatever size they are willing to provide. Wrt the 2D aspect, I'm no lawyer and ultimately that's a decision for another forum than FP, but it was scanned by a machine, which suggests a 2D quality and not a creative, copyrightable, work. Colin°Talk09:07, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
High quality photographs of any artwork at a museum is likely technically impossible for anyone but the museum, your point? And copyright is ENTIRELY within the purview of a FPC nomination, since if it's likely to be deleted anyway, why nominate it? I'm fairly sure that things like this are not 2D works... — raekyt09:11, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
It was hardly shouting. commons:User_talk:Dcoetzee#Copyright_Question is probably a sufficient answer to the copyright issue. But I'm going to Oppose on size since I'm sure the museum has scaled this image down for the web, and it doesn't meet our size requirements, it's an existing object that can be rephotographed, it's not technically difficult for the museum to do, if they haven't already. About 6 pixels/inch is NOT sufficient resolution for a featured picture of this carpet. I don't see this as being a case where nothing better can be expected which is the only clause to ignore the size requirements. Speedy Close. — raekyt12:12, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Original – Haidarzadeh house is a historical mansion situated in Maghsoudieh suburb of Tabriz, Iran, on the south side of Tabriz Municipality building.
Oppose This appears to be a scan of a profesionally printed image, with the "noise" the result of a halftone or similar printing technique. As a result, regardless of image quality, I'd be very reluctant to promote such a picture without an OTRS ticket establishing its licence/ownership. But anyway, the image doesn't stand close scrutiny, especially the bad photoshopping on the floor. Colin°Talk12:50, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Wow, really noisy, and a peculiar blurred patch through the right side of the floor. Also, I share Colin's skepticism of the origins of this photo. Ðiliff«»(Talk)14:02, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, I'm not sure that it's necessarily the noise of a halftone or similar print scan. If you look at previous versions, the earlier high-res one seems to have more sedate noise, more in keeping with high ISO film. That makes a bit more sense, as the EXIF refers to a photo processing machine. Skepticism eased slightly, but still not really of sufficient technical quality. Ðiliff«»(Talk)14:07, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Looking at the previous versions, the one immediately prior to current is at the same resolution, but is less noisy and without that hideous photoshop blur. Should we revert to that version? Chris857 (talk) 14:15, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support, already assessed as both high quality and high value on Wikimedia Commons, in addition to its obvious nature of high encyclopedic and high educational value along with its clearly high quality strengths. — Cirt (talk) 16:33, 6 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral The highlights don't bother me, but the abundance of advertising does. I much prefer the WRC paint job in the photo here. Also, this article is short and I'm not impressed with the references. Two of the references are dead links, and the other two say little about this car. --Pine✉20:50, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Original 1 – A vectorized screenshot of Inkscape 0.48.2, running on Windows 7, showing a rectangle, a star, an oval, and some text. The rectangle is selected with the Select toolOriginal 2 – This one shows File:Red Gallardo.svg. A part of the front windshield is selected.
Reason
Most screenshots used in Wikipedia articles, even those of freely-licensed software, are in a raster graphics format such as JPEG or PNG, which easily lose quality when zoomed in, and their low resolutions do not meet FP standards, but these screenshots are in the SVG format, and even with a resolution of 3784 * 2424, they can actually be scaled indefinitely without loss of quality (albeit not in articles, where they are converted to PNGs. Scalable versions of the images can be viewed in an SVG-compatible browser, by clicking on the image on the description page). There are two images here, you can support any one of them, or even both. If you have a vector graphics editor such as Inkscape or Adobe Illustrator and you can improve this image, please do so. jfd34 (talk)11:13, 8 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I think clarification is needed here. The role of the image is either
a) to demonstrate the concept of an SVG. In this case, the subject of the picture - Inkscape - is largely irrelevant. To that extent, the images aren't used to demonstrate SVGs in general.
b) to demonstrate Inkscape as a program. This is clearly the sense they are used in in the article. However, in this context the fact they're SVGs is largely irrelevant. That's not to say I'm against SVGs in general – I'm certainly not, I have a couple of promoted FP SVGs, and from the look of it this has taken hours of work. But in so far as this image describes Inkscape, a raster version would work just as well. The fact it scales makes little difference to its usefulness, in this context.
I just don't understand why the Inkscape interface has been painstakingly recreated in SVG format, except for a love of irony. However, it is the image in front of me and it does provide a good example of the Inkscape format. So I'm leaning towards supporting. Grandiose(me, talk, contribs) 19:27, 8 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
There are many Inkscape screenshots available on Commons here. Most of them are either JPEGs or PNGs (there are a few SVGs, but their data is mostly embedded PNGs, unlike this one). When they are opened in an image viewing program and zoomed in, jagged edges are noticeable particularly on the toolbars. Tracing them into SVGs eliminate all these problems which otherwise cause an image to fail the FP criteria. jfd34 (talk)08:05, 9 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Inkscape is a program that runs on a computer with a raster display. Therefore, the only correct screenshot is a raster one showing the pixels of the software. This is just a very well executed drawing that looks a lot like Inkscape. I think the real reason we don't have FP screenshots isn't because they are too small, but because there no still in making a screen capture. There's clearly skill on display here, but I think your efforts were misspent. Colin°Talk20:12, 9 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support I completely disagree with Colin. I think he is not so technical informed (so I mean false criticism). That would be apply generally to all SVG? I like this very. So why is quality here misspent? --Perhelion (talk) 01:02, 10 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Presumably because the artist wasted a great deal of time creating this svg artwork when, really, a png screenshot of Inkscape would be sufficient in being an encyclopedic illustration of the software. He clearly has svg skills, and there are plenty of images on Wikipedia that should be in svg format but aren't if he wants to contribute those skills to Wikipedia; but this isn't a time when it's necessary. It isn't being used to illustrate was .svg is, what it can do, what (when used correctly) its advantages are over png or jpeg. There is no need to illustrate Inkscape in an .svg image just because it can output in that format. And there are also situations when artistic renditions and drawings are suitable (maps and concept vehicles to name two), and when they aren't (like when pressing PRT-SCR will work). Like Colin said, despite how excellently drawn it is (and I do think it is), it just looks a lot like Inkscape, but it isn't Inkscape. Matthewedwards (talk · contribs) 04:31, 10 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Is this the output of a clever program that can produce vector screenshots? That would be interesting. Or has someone manually redrawn the screenshot? That would be impressive work and patience for sure, but I don't completely see the point of doing it... 86.128.4.241 (talk) 14:01, 10 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The image is used in the article as examples of the program in use, not as an example of a vectorized version of a raster image (whether or not that was done manually or not does not matter). I argue that this is a misrepresentation of the concept being illustrated due to the fact that there may be some discrepancies from the source and this version (as there was a conversion done, and yes I understand photos are manipulated frequently, but you can argue that photographing an object requires interpretation of light, etc. where a screenshot has a fixed representation outside of resolution and other settings). I also believe that the format of this image reduces the compatibility with many older browsers unnecessarily while adding no additional EV. --Chrismiceli (talk) 23:26, 10 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Modern place, easy to rephotograph, therefore the extremely overcast/cloudy day isn't ideal, we can do better. — raekyt13:33, 8 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Conditional Support Per Raeky. I don't care for the cloudy sky, but in the event of a clear sky picture coming available, I suggest a D&R. Dusty77717:45, 8 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose This is useful image which was competently executed. However, the flat lighting unfortunately means that it doesn't have a strong visual impact. Nick-D (talk) 10:42, 9 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support If this weather is typical for the location then I see no reason to vote against this. A sunny day would be visually nicer but that doesn't make the photo more encyclopedic or educational. --Pine✉20:45, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Even counting Dusty's ambiguously conditional support, this nomination does not reach a 2/3 majority, although it's close. Please feel free to renominate if this outcome is unsatisfactory. Julia\talk16:11, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose -- Quality is not good enough, especially when compared with the existing FP of insects. Lightint is not good, the angle is not the best and very little of the subject is focused. Alvesgaspar (talk) 14:50, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I display here and above two good pictures of Colorada Lake, both of them have high EV and contirbute to the article in a different way. This one is a good panorama of great quality, showing well the surroundings of the lake, and also displaying its unique coloration, its fauna (flamingos, although displayed in the other picture in a more obvious way) and flora (Stipa ichu).
Support, quite striking panoramic landscape shot, displaying the notable aspects of the natural phenomenon, including both the depth and key surrounding visage. — Cirt (talk) 18:48, 9 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Great picture. I believe the EV would be increased considerable if this picture were removed from the article. While it contributes a fair amount of EV, the article doesn't seem big enough to support three pictures. Dusty77722:33, 9 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
You're probably right. The picture you linked to didn't contribute that much to the article (it did demonstrated the red color of the lake, but two pictures are sufficient), and mostly created graphic overload. Hence I removed it. Tomer T (talk) 01:16, 10 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support Per removal of the other picture from the article. The other picture didn't have the quality that this one does. The added EV is excellent! Dusty77702:17, 10 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I display here and below two good pictures of Colorada Lake, both of them have high EV and contirbute to the article in a different way. This one, although somewhat soft, is an impressive, eyecatching, photo demonstrating well the different coloration of the lake and its abundance in flamingos, and hence has high EV and good contribution to the article, and to other articles about the area.
Regretful Oppose While I do agree with the points pointed out by the nom, I can't support this. The coloring is bad, has medium noise throughout the picture, and the water appears to have some motion blur. Probably some issues with the saturation also, but I'm not expert enough to point that out. Dusty77722:25, 9 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support, high quality, already reviewed and accepted as Featured Quality on multiple other websites, high encyclopedic value, and high educational value. — Cirt (talk) 17:44, 11 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Made me read the article, which is always a good sign... Although often distracting, the people in the far left foreground actually help get a sense of scale... No flaws that I can see with the picture... gazhiley14:43, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I can't really fault this to be honest, except maybe that the sky has been artificially darkened a little too much, perhaps with a polarising filter. Ðiliff«»(Talk)21:26, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support as nominator --Hari Krishnan 16:28, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
Oppose Wrong ID. She is actually Trithemis aurora; not Tramea basilaris’. You may refer my gallery to identify some odonata of South India. General advice: 1. "Images must be categorized; this should include the taxa naming for organisms". 2. "It is preferable to wait a reasonable period of time (at least 7 days) after the image is added to the article before nominating it, though this may be ignored in obvious cases, such as replacing a low-resolution version of an image with a higher resolution of the same image". 3. You inserted this picture on the page as a gallery. It is better to use the thumbnail code available under "use this file on a wiki". (I just noticed your all four resent nominations here and doubt you’re much newbie to here. Hello and best wishes from your nearby place, Kerala.) JKadavoorJee05:36, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Thank you for pointing out the mistake. I shall correct it. Kallidaimaniac
Strong Oppose as per above, but also it's awful close up... So blurred and grainy... This is never going to pass so I'd Suggest Speedy Close if anyone else agrees?! gazhiley10:11, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose More noticable at full res, but the entire right hand side of the picture seems to be at a completely different angle, almost as if that part of the building is built on a really steep slope... Spoils it for me... gazhiley14:32, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support original and Oppose edit 1 The lower right part is really odd on edit 1, with straight horizontal lines now broken... Not sure it's good of a tradeoff (and there was nothing to trade to begin with anyways). - Blieusong (talk) 16:11, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. It's a lovely photograph of a yacht, but I wish there were more information about it in our article(s). Right now, it's only mentioned in passing in William Fife, sharing a bullet point with Moonbeam IV on a list of yachts identified (without specific explanation) as being among Fife's sixteen most notable vessels still sailing. The bullet point briefly mentions that it is a "cruiser handicap rater" without further explanation or supporting references and links. What is the sail plan? Is the ship notable for its design, or its condition, or because it was used to smuggle rum? Is it flying a French flag for a particular event or does it have a French owner? What happened to MoonbeamsI and II? Right now this image is being used as part of a gallery down the side of the article. While it is the only color photograph and is arguably the prettiest and most 'dynamic' of the bunch, right now the other images seem to have greater historical and educational significance. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 14:30, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I believe that since the only contemporary photograph of a Fife vessel that's still sailing, and the article is about Fife rather than the ship, the current placement of the image has good EV as a depiction of Fife's work and legacy. Regarding the French flag, if you read the caption on the file page, it says that the photo was taken as the ship participated in the French Fêtes maritimes de Brest 2008 maritime event. --Pine✉18:43, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Original – Northwest façade of Chambord castle. Built between 1519 and 1547 by François I, it was heavily extended afterwards by Henri II and Louis XIV to its final shape we know well today. Chambord castle is an example of Renaissance architecture. It is also the largest castle of the Loire valley, measuring 156m long and topping 56m height. A UNESCO world heritage site since 1981.
Reason
Noticed the picture I replaced was already FP. As this one is a far better version, with better lighting and much higher resolution, I propose to promote it here (maybe replacing old one, not sure about the process here). Not most inspiring shot, but fulfills its encyclopedic purposes well IMO.
Support, but I have the impression that the colour balance is a bit warm. I'm really not sure what it looks like in person though, because the other photos in the article show it to be virtually bleached white, or even more yellowy-cream. I kind of wish there was a bit more sky, as I find it, compositionally, a bit bottom-heavy. In any case though, detail is very good and it's an excellent replacement for the other, which I didn't really like that much even in 2006, reading back on the nomination. Ðiliff«»(Talk)21:08, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
You might be right. But I checked the setting, and I don't think the WB was set to something excessively cool (5900°) and I offset the tint trigger to the red side to remove the green color cast. But as far I as remember I was a bit surprised with how white the building rendered in real because many pictures have too warm (?) WB, and that's how we see it in the end. Maybe someday someone else will confirm. In any way, it will be an easy fix. As for the composition issue... I'll be fine with a cropped alternative, but will leave up to the more acquainted reviewers of en:FPC to decide which one suits best EV purposes. - Blieusong (talk) 22:54, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Just read it again and noticed you actually mention warm... time for me to go to sleep. Tough issue to settle. I'll leave it like that because I remember this less well than when I processed it. Until someone confirms. - Blieusong (talk) 22:58, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Creator of the "superseded" FP here. Yeah, this one is clearly better - the light was really flat on mine. Also it was taken with a compact :) To my eye, the colour balance in this FPC is on the warm side, but you know, 4:37pm in May, maybe. Stevage00:25, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I brought WB to the cooler side a bit and also slightly sharpened it. I overwrote the original one since it's likely to be a good change for everyone. - Blieusong (talk) 10:14, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I can't easily tell from my work PC (the display is awful), but it looks to be a significant improvement of the white balance. I don't think it needed any more than that. Thanks. Ðiliff«»(Talk)10:33, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment There seem to be an increasing number of these artificial/distorted perspective pictures, especially of buildings. While often excellent encyclopedic value in terms of documenting the buildings themselves, I find them aesthetically displeasing. 86.181.201.173 (talk) 18:50, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Same seems to go for anonymous irrelevant comments (Irrelevant here for sure). This picture roughly has 68° of horizontal field of view and uses rectilinear projection (check EXIF, "comment" field). Pretty much what you would get with a standard lens at common focal length. To prove you wrong, this is a same picture taken at 24mm on APSC, in a single shot and with zero postprocessing, excepted for the levels/tones parts. You can see one needn't distort anything to get the results as seen on the FP candidate (and for a good reason, it's from the same point of view). - Blieusong (talk) 20:50, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
His point was valid though. The image is not 'artificially disorted' and the field of view is not extreme. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, even those who choose to be anonymous, but obviously incorrect ones are entitled to be disputed. In any case, your original comment came across as a bit inflamatory and I don't blame him for responding as he did. Ðiliff«»(Talk)15:24, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
It's true that my comment was a bit extreme, I apologize for that. But as said, my point is valid (which you didn't denied) and I did not want the claim to mislead other people (which happens). - Blieusong (talk) 15:43, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Just to muddy the waters a little: there is a degree of twisting distortion on the round towers at the extreme left and right: the horizontals aren't and the verticals are slightly out too. This occurred to a greater extent on the Taj image which did have an extreme horizontal angle of view. I agree that the angle of view here isn't more than the wide-angle setting on a standard zoom, and it appears on the out-of-camera shot Blieusong links. What is going on? Is this the horizontal equivalent of a vertical perspective distortion? The sides and middle of the building aren't precisely the same distance from the viewer yet the rectilinear projection (or standard lens) gives that illusion on our 2D screens. Could it be that this sort of distortion is always present on large architectural subjects, but these little round towers are unforgiving subjects? -- Colin°Talk16:11, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
As far as I can tell, there is a small amount of counterclockwise rotation (resulting in horizontal tilt), and a small inwards perspective tilt (undercorrected verticals), but these are just imperfections in the perspective correction rather than distortion caused by an extreme angle of view, and they're not really visible at a regular viewing distance. I can see that the towers appear to be skewed inwards but I wonder if the reason for this is that they're not parallel with the front facade and as a result, the outside visible edge is closer to the viewer than the inside edge (also due to the fact that we're essentially viewing it from an angle and not straight-on). I'm straining my brain to visualise just what this should do to the perspective, and whether it would explain what we're seeing. In any case, I'm not particularly bothered by the 'imperfection' - it's good enough. Ðiliff«»(Talk)16:53, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I think u r right, seems to be more backward tilt (point of view slightly up). I attribute this to me not using vertical correction as you mentioned. Will fix. Thanks for review. As for distortion, I'd like to insist that projecting 3D space into 2D plan comes with properties tradeoffs such as angle, straightness of lines, areas (they are the said distortions) and I could go on but don't know them all. So there are always distortion of some kind, and it depends on how you define them, or how much of them you're willing to accept. We have to be aware of the constraints: you can't expect a square to always remain a square unless it's in a plan parallel to the focal plan, and the projection is linear. The only possible counteract to this is getting farther away from the subject, and we would have ended with something more like the previous FP. The rest is matter of taste. - Blieusong (talk) 18:55, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment After looking at other pictures and coming back to that one, I decided to increase contrast and saturation a little. Hope you won't mind. - Blieusong (talk) 20:50, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Well... after Colin and Diliff's reviews I had to fix the backward leaning... Which is done now I believe (for those interested, I messed up with the guidelines. My verticals were good, but my horizontal guide was wrong). I again overwrote, and as a bonus (or not depending on how u look at it) provided a wider framing. Hope this will be a final change. Thanks for the helpful reviews also. - Blieusong (talk) 23:20, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support made me read the article to find out why it is "unusual". That is always a good sign! Plus it's a high quality, interesting picture... gazhiley12:42, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
It's a high resolution and aesthetically pleasing view of the Royal Albert Hall in London. I chose to take it at dusk, as I think the evening lighting makes it look more impressive and it stands out better among its surroundings than during the day. Detail is such that if you look carefully, you can even read the writing on the plaques through the main window, or the billboards outside.
Support Beautiful colours and contrast and good sharpness. The subject really stands out of the surrounding. Plus good timing and quiet setting. I am very surprised by the lack of noticeable artifacts of exposures blending. - Blieusong (talk) 23:09, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support This is an excellent photo with strong EV. I prefer this version to the crop as it shows how the Royal Albert Hall is, despite its grand appearance, somewhat hemmed in by other buildings. Nick-D (talk) 08:38, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Support There is a fairly large amount of motion blur, floating headlights, ghost lines etc around the bottom of the picture, from left to right... The quality of the picture is high enough to still retain my support, but the above issues distract me too much to retain full support... I appreciate that it's going to be nearly impossible to prevent this while retaining the quality of the picture in these lighting conditions, but I just find them annoying... gazhiley11:41, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Support. I find the bushes in the foreground awkward because the edge of the path is cropped out of the frame, and it upsets the composition a little. Ðiliff«»(Talk)12:20, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Is that a Support or Oppose? Your viewpoint leads me to believe it's an oppose.. But could you clarify the comment on angle? higher up and basement to me are two different things - basements are underground generally...... gazhiley17:31, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I mean top of basement ("zero level"); corrected to make it more clear. Here the extreme bottom of the building and the courtyard are hidden by the bushes and it seems the photographer is on a sloppy terrain below ground level. My comment is negative, but prefer not to vote; because the subject (architecture photography) is beyond my area of expertise. -- JKadavoorJee09:09, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I'm not convinced that it's oversaturated. The lighting looks good (possibly off centre flash used) which might be contributing to it being well saturated. If indeed oversaturated, it should be simple enough to desaturate without loss of fidelity as it's not blown in any of the RGB channels. Ðiliff«»(Talk)11:34, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I guess the duplicate image is an issue for Commons rather than this process as it's not used in the English Wiki, but thanks for bringing it to our attention. I don't think the alternative that you link to is nearly as nice as this one though, as the frontal flash is not subtle or particularly aesthetic. Ðiliff«»(Talk)16:47, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
That one doesn't have the oversaturation problem. I've added that as an alt and adjusted the sizes. I hope that's okay, Tomer. Support alt. Samsara (FA • FP) 20:19, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Original – A Red-vented Bulbul (Pycnonotus cafer) perched on the front gate of a house in Tirunelveli, Tamil Nadu, India
Reason
Has good color balance, contrast, no major image-noise. Brings out the details of the bird, and so adds encyclopedic value to the article. Image used in the Wikipedia article on the Red-vented Bulbul. Has a free license. No inappropriate digital manipulation done. Image is of high resolution.
Featured picture girls :) While this particular image may be unique, Anna herself can be reshot, unlike some historical persons (today almost any freely licensed high-resolution image of, say, Princess Diana would pass). Brandmeistertalk 01:05, 17 November 2012 (UTC) Brandmeistertalk00:00, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Not sharp, noisy. Even when reduced to 1500x2000 with sharpening applied, the eyes just aren't in sharp focus, which is a fatal flaw in a portrait. The NR edit doesn't help and has lost fine detail. Shame as it is a good pic as a thumbnail and should probably replace the article lead IMO. Colin°Talk12:16, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Not completely true, though ones options with a JPG are more limited. Selective, rather than global, noise reduction and sharpening, combined with the best tools, could retain more detail than this. However, it isn't worth the effort here IMO. Colin°Talk18:38, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
My above statement is precisely true, in fact. Untreated noise from the sensor is fine scale and cannot, with terminal accuracy, be distinguished from fine detail. Imagine a subject with a spot on it that is exactly 1 pixel in size in your photograph, and whose colour/value difference from neighbouring pixels is within the margin of noise. What will any functional NR algorithm make of that? Exactly. QED. Samsara (FA • FP) 18:55, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nope. I suggest you do some reading on the subject. As I said, there are many options that require intervention before a JPG is created that certainly do not lose detail (some even extract further detail than a standard shot can achieve) and other options that minimise any perception of detail lost but all is not lost even with a JPG. Not all noise is random. Not all noise is perceived or intrusive. There's some clever software out there, there are some clever techniques out there and there's a clever round lump between your ears that is unmatched by any of those. Colin°Talk19:40, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The untenable claim was that "Every noise reduction method [loses fine detail]". I said that was "not completely true, though ones options with a JPG are more limited". Not all noise reduction methods are appropriate for mention in the article Samsara linked. There's also no obligation on me to fix up Wikipedia to "win" an argument. Ok, here are some noise reduction methods that do not lose image detail (or lose apparent detail):
Dark-frame subtraction is already mentioned by the article you linked. Many cameras support this automatically for exposures > 1s -- too long for a portrait but not for many other images.
"Multiframe noise reduction" which is a Sony camera feature that's been around for several years and is present on probably all of their cameras now. It is also known as "hand-held twilight" which gives a clue that it can cope with a degree of photographer and subject movement. I've no idea if it is present on other brands or is a notable enough feature to warrant mention on WP's image noise article. One can do the same oneself by taking multiple images and aligning them and stacking them with Enfuse. This is a fairly well known technique and I've used both.
Related to that is using exposure fusion when compared to the alternative for a HD scene: which is to lift the shadows and recover the lightlights using a tool like Lightroom -- both of which would have increased the noise in the image.
There's also the various techniques manufacturers use to reduce the A->D conversion noise in their chips and to detect and remove pattern noise at source. They can also identify bright/dead pixels and mark them for elimination in the raw file.
There's the cleverness of the demosaicing algoirithm used by the raw processing software. Different tools vary considerably in their ability to do this well, even before one applies any NR to the image.
There's the photographer's technique of exposing to the right which involves over-exposing the image at shooting time and bringing the exposure back down for JPG creation. That is a noise-reduction technique that takes advantage of the linear way brightness is recorded as bits.
There's basic photoshop/lightroom technniques of applying a combination of masked sharpening and NR in a selective manner to an image. The hair, hat-band and skirt of the above photograph have very little apparent noise but lots of image detail -- they should be spared when applying NR. Most images have some degree of sharpening and noise reduction applied to them and there's considerable room to improve on simplistic global settings.
Comment Since when did FP turn into a teenage male wank fest? Seriously people, there are women who edit this encyclopedia and this nom has taken a creepy turn. Quit it.pschemp | talk20:07, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that Gazhiley's comment was inappropriate but a single comment does not suggest a "wank fest"--most of the discussion above is about digital noise reduction, which only our most committed image editors wank over. Chick Bowen22:47, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
How is me finding a woman attractive and commenting on it inappropriate, and akin to a teenage male wank fest?!! This is not the first and won't be the last time that a male editor finds a woman attractive... Jesus guys, lighten up... gazhiley09:08, 20 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
After the previous nomination about water pollution in Lake Maracaibo, a new picture was uploaded, which addresses the request for more context in the previous nomination. I think this picture meets the criteria.
Oppose A decent picture but not particularly striking or unusual (sadly). I disagree with its (current) use as the lead image of the water pollution article, which is almost exclusively about pollution dissolved or suspended in water, rather than "trash" washed up on the shore (it merits one sentence). The picture is also far from the most important in the lake article. -- Colin°Talk11:18, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppse per Colin - doesn't really show water pollution, more general rubbish with a lake in the background... And doesn't really show enough of the lake to be good EV for the lake... gazhiley09:05, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree with the views given here - we have in the past promoted FPs for stub articles. This creates a precedent for situations where as long as the scope is correct, we grant that the image has EV, even if the article needs development. Since nobody has made the case that floating debris does not form part of the water pollution lemma, I don't see how this image can be considered ineligible. Samsara (FA • FP) 10:30, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Well I don't think a photograph of trash on the shore "adds significantly" (per criteria) to an article that is 99% not about trash on the shore. If one had access to a decent photo library, this wouldn't be anyone's shortlist (never mind first choice) to illustrate an article on water pollution. IMO it is only in the lead because the photographer put it there, and because some of the other pictures are weak on a technical level. -- Colin°Talk10:52, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Original – A woman condemned to death in Mongolia is seen from the porthole of a crate inside which she is encumbered and left to die of starvation.
Reason
This unique historic photograph depicts a harrowing scene in which a woman is held captive in a wooden crate and left to die of starvation. It is both a mesmerizing illustration of not-so-distant history and a fine example of early color photography.
Since Geni raised this point, I went ahead and looked around for further information and found that there has been speculation about the photograph (e.g., here, here, here, and here) since I originally uploaded it in 2010. The proposed caption is based directly on National Geographic 41(5) and I am not presently aware of any additional authoritative commentary beyond Okuefuna's apparent conjecture in The Dawn of the Color Photograph. — C M B J13:08, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I was on the look out for sources I could use to ameliorate the articles following the concerns below. They are few, but this is one. However, it really does pour doubt on this photograph showing a starvation (if you google "Mongolia Starvation Punishment" then I haven't found one describing starvation in this matter) - the passage from the linked book ("sometimes criminals were put in wooden boxes...") makes it sound like an internment rather than a death sentence. It's discussed alongside other physical punishments, and the paragraph finishes "lay there 2-3 months without being able to move". That, I think, refers to another form of punishment. The fact remains that any reference to the person actually dying is conspicuously absent. Grandiose(me, talk, contribs) 11:28, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I've had a look and those very much suggest it's a form of prison. e.g. "... the prisoners allowed to come out except for execution or – rarely – to be set free. The majority are in for life sentences." which suggests they are fed and watered. Grandiose(me, talk, contribs) 16:52, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
It appears that all of these books (excepting the last) describe a specific state dungeon in Urga. I'll continue looking for further details about the practice elsewhere in Mongolia; particularly as it relates to solitary outdoor placement in the plains/desert. — C M B J00:07, 20 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Conditional Support: there are fewer better examples of historical, unique images. Somewhat fortunately, this is one. However from a licensing perspective it needs a PD-Art tag; a declaration in respect of the retouchings (that is, your contribution - in the US you wouldn't have a right to one, but elsewhere maybe). Also it would be worth clarifying PD-US to PD-1923 (because this makes clear the country of origin isn't important). Grandiose(me, talk, contribs) 17:52, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose: Updated per below, too many doubts about what is depicted to accurately assess the image. If it is just a prison, then contribution to "immurement" is zero, and "capital punishment in Mongolia" small. That's not to say the caption is wrong, it just needs further investigation. Grandiose(me, talk, contribs) 22:14, 25 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. There is nothing about this method in the article. It's really not adding anything. Please remember that we are judging the use of images in articles, not merely the image itself. J Milburn (talk) 16:45, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I think the image provides an example of Capital punishment in Mongolia and Immurement. I am no stranger to an argument that says that an image could contribute, but doesn't yet, but I do feel in this case that the relation between the image and the subjects of those two articles is strong enough that it adds considerably even without extensive discussion. Grandiose(me, talk, contribs) 17:48, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support - As a photograph this is quite striking, even if its technical aspects are up to the bar set by some early B&W photographs we've seen here. This should have more information about it in the articles, but its use in immurement is high enough EV for me. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:33, 25 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Immurement states that it's being walled up inside a building or structure, nothing about some wooden box with locks and hinges. How does this have much EV for that article? — raekyt03:16, 25 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I don't see how this photograph has EV until we know what it shows. It's a bit like a butterfly we haven't identified - it could go in a broad article but for FP we want it tied down and contributing to something more specific. I suggest CMBJ relists if/when he or she can confirm whether this is a method of death, i.e. immurement, or one of imprisonment. Grandiose(me, talk, contribs) 09:52, 25 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy close I have to agree with King of Hearts, if it was a 4:3 image with one side above 1500px and one side below (such as in 1600x1200) then I'd be happy to defend it against the hardliners who insist on 1500x1500 or greater but at least one side has to be large enough or there just isn't enough flexibility to use the image in an article, on the front page, or elsewhere where it may need to be resized to various sizes or seen full size. Cat-fivetc ---- 21:50, 25 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose/Speedy close etc. Sorry, but poor composition (too much water resulting in unbalanced view with tightly cropped London Eye) and it's such a common view. The one thing this photo has going for it is a nice dusk glow on the horizon. In any case, it doesn't exist in the article anymore which makes it ineligible. Ðiliff«»(Talk)11:57, 26 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Original – Panoramic view of the Roman theatre at Palmyra, Syria, from the cavea
Reason
Hi everyone, long time no see. Saw this while going through DYK: its a nice, solid image of a notable structure, used well in two articles, and of good resolution. Also, FP on Commons
Weak Support I am not keen on the sky in this - seems blown, especially around the high centre point of the structure... Would prefer this shot on a nice clear day... Other than that it's a nice sharp interesting picture... gazhiley09:03, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I agree about the sky, and it's a little dark in the middle, but given the difficulties of accessing archeological sites in Syria these days I think the value of this overcomes those concerns. I'm glad that our Palymra article is so well illustrated. Chick Bowen22:42, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support Beautiful, highly valuable. The nearly-blown out sky seems to work for me in this context; at the very least it doesn't detract from its value. Jujutacular (talk) 02:08, 20 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support Not 100% in love with the sky despite some people saying that it works but the subject isn't the sky and it's a great photograph of the subject. Cat-fivetc ---- 21:56, 25 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Support The brightness of the sunlight in this picture makes the subject appear quite dark, and as such less appealing at thumb size - shame as otherwise it's a very detailed picture... gazhiley09:02, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
High-quality restoration from scan of a scene from Oscar Wilde's The Duchess of Padua, one of his more obscure plays. The titular duchess is on the left, and the other person is the main character Guido.